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« Reply #168 on: Friday10December2010 »

Akela AVM doesn't have a copy of the information from Tate. This is not to say we may not receive it in the future.

Our understanding, at this stage, is that certain action and advice have been undertaken regarding this matter.

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« Reply #167 on: Thursday09December2010 »

Can anyone get me a copy of the letter that Mr. Tate wrote to Honda?
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« Reply #166 on: Thursday09December2010 »

Thank you for that Fergus.  I knew there was more to this as the information I received was from 2 different sources.
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« Reply #165 on: Thursday09December2010 »

There is substance to CD's comments, however the information is not accurate.  The raffle deal with Honda was cancelled due to an internal decision by the Honda Dealership prior to receiving correspondence from Tate.

After that decision had been made, Tate wrote a letter to Honda maligning and defaming 4RAR and members of 4RAR.

The vast majority of Vietnam Veterans gave their all in Vietnam and Tate has consistently denigrated the integrity of the Defence Force and those who served by distributing  malicious lies, innuendo  and conspiracy theories.

Those who knew Tate during his service have reported that he was an idiot of a soldier.  During his after service life, history shows he has been an idiotic civilian.

Let's hope that the letter he has written to Honda defaming 4RAR and it's people is sufficient to change minds from pity for a mentally sick Veteran, to vengeance against a malicious fool - Tate has said and done enough.  It's time for justice.

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« Reply #164 on: Wednesday08December2010 »

It appears that little Donny Boy has once again stired up a hornets nest with his "so-called" 4RAR veteran "mates".  It seems that the 4RAR blokes did a very big deal with a Honda distributor for a really great raffle for their Unit Re-union.
Now, Donny Boy, being the little shit that he really is, went to said Honda dealer and and informed the dealer that the organisers of the raffle were con-men and in no way should the deal go through for the raffle.
After hearing this load of tripe and crap spew forth from the gob of "I-wrote-a-book" Little Donny Boy Tater the dealer, not being up to what happens in Veteran circles, withdrew the offer.
Consequently the 4RAR blokes are looking for a tree with a branch at a suitable height. I'm told they already have the required length of manila and Tate's neck size.

Any more info on this subject would be appreciated.
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« Reply #163 on: Sunday31October2010 »

Is there any chance of seeing the military record of Tate as we have had the pleasure of seeing the records of Corse, Briggs, Joyce and Westerway?
I am sure it would be an eye opener.
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« Reply #162 on: Monday11October2010 »

Hi,

 I have been reseaching this Tate bloke and I feel he is an idiot.

If I could post this advice:

A "paraprosdokian" is a figure of speech in which the latter part of a sentence or phrase is surprising or unexpected in a way that causes the reader or listener to reframe or reinterpret the first part.  It is frequently used for humorous or dramatic effect.   

"Do not argue with an idiot.  He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience."   
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« Reply #161 on: Friday08October2010 »

Hi,

I have been researching this Tate bloke and I found this on the net. It is supposedly by Murdoch publishing. I haven't embellished it:

“In this autobiography, Don Tate tells the story of his lifelong journey out of the shadow of his father. Raised in poverty in a shanty on the rural outskirts of Brisbane, with an unsuccessful petty criminal father he idolized and a mother who struggled to feed her family, Don enlisted in the army at age 18, intent on going to Vietnam and proving his worth as a man."--Provided by publisher, Murdoch Books.

Out here in the bush it is hard to get a hold on current issues, I was lent a copy of the book by mates and after 12 years in the Army, what a load of wank!

Obviously an imbecile of the highest order.

If he spent 2 years travelling the country to promote book sales, his wounds have had no effect, why is he TPI?

Maybe we all should lodge complaints with the Minister and have it (TPI) removed as he fails the work test.

To try and flog his book with the current potential courts martial is a very low act. He should be condemned by all and sundry.


I think someone said that Tate was the only Vietnam veteran he would never buy a beer for.

I second that!
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« Reply #160 on: Thursday07October2010 »


Have responded to Tate’s latest, only because it relates to the dilemma ADF soldiers find themselves in as a result of the stupidity of the "Brigadier" Lyn McDade.

Tate has been spitting venom and making threats ad nauseum .  Until now he has been ignored as no one is interested.  Tate was part of the Mad Galahs who appear to have disappeared.  Tate, now the loner, is still trying to stir up discontent in the Veteran and Defence Force community.

His latest effort about the laying of charges against our soldiers from Afghanistan is nothing short of ludicrous. His analogy to Vietnam is unconscionable. He is using the plight of these blokes to sell his useless damn book.  The tenor of his recent ravings (that we have ignored) is indicative of a person who will seek attention, by any means.

You can tell when Don is causing trouble because he is either writing, or his lips are moving


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« Reply #159 on: Thursday07October2010 »

Tate really is a first class dickhead. The Australians who have been charged are not SAS members, they are Commando Regiment members according to all reports so far.

Tate is still sending his stupidity around the place, trying to bait all and sundry, but nobody is listening to him. We all know he's a liar, cheat, fraud and maniac and having been exposed as such there is nothing more anybody can say about him. Nobody certainly wants to say anything TO him.

He is just talking to himself, even his galah mates have deserted him.

He also wrote The Lonely Planet, because that's where he lives.
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« Reply #158 on: Thursday30September2010 »

Don Tate has signed the petition "Stop prosecution of ADF personnel in Force Element Charlie "

But tate being tate, he has not signed it to help these soldiers facing prosecution, he has signed it to once again cast slurs on the Vietnam Veterans  and to further promote that book of fiction he had published.

This is what he has to say. ( He signed it twice)


http://www.gopetition.com/petition/39006.html



If Captain Tom Arrowsmith's combined unit comprising armour and infantry committed no crimes against the Commonwealth on May 29th, 1969 at Thua Tich and on the way into Xuyen Moc, South Vietnam, then these lads have nothing to worry about. The legal precedent has been established. The accused need to be made aware of the facts concerning the 2nd D&E Platoon matter as outlined in "The War Within" (Murdoch Books). History CAN be altered to suit.

On May 29th 1969, Australian troops blew bodies up, strung some to the backs of APC's, and fired indiscriminately at civilians on the way to Xuyen Moc. These matters are documented in my memoir, "The War Within". The matter was referred to the AFP in 2009 after much controversial debate. According to the AFP, "no offences were committed against the Commonwealth." Hence- a precedent has been established. The SAS blokes have nothing to fear
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« Reply #157 on: Monday09August2010 »

KD117 to find out all about Tate go to the AVM website here www.austvetmatters.net
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« Reply #156 on: Monday09August2010 »

Hi all,

I'm new to this and this Tate thing amazes me. You have D371 arguing with Don Tate, whoever he is. Don Tate threatens legal action and this D371 has no problems because he claims he has the evidence and is more than prepared to go to court.

I'm a betting man, I'd go with D371 just because he appears to be the more confident. This Don Tate, from what I have read over the past few nights is very defensive and provides no counter argument apart from legal threats. D371 is too confident,  I'll back him.
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« Reply #155 on: Sunday08August2010 »

Hi Tate,

Thanks to Murdoch books, I now where you are coming from. I am inside your head.

Your old man was a failure, he was a criminal, aren't you the same? You may have no conviction recorded but you were convicted of the assault on a very sick and frail veteran who should be on an oxygen bottle. You're  a brave man, Tate, just like your old man, he was a failure and so are you.

Thank you Murdoch books. Fella's I can now tie in Tate's incompetence as a soldier with his drive for a so called 2nd D&E Pl plus his changing everything to have him placed at Thua Thich when he was nowhere near the place.

It all goes back to trying, but failed, to be a better man than his failed criminal father. What about your mother, Tate? she deserved far more respect and love than your failed criminal father. Murdoch books state that you idolised a failed crim. Like father, like son,like father. Both failures.

I am in the process of preparing an AAT case for a Vietnam veteran, hearing date is next month and once I've prepared that then Tate, watch this space.

Go yourl life, failure, just like your old man.

D371 - there were 140 of us
As a reminder the policeman who attended Dapto High was a former NS who was at Coral with 1RAR and then had time with 7RAR. Tate, he still has his original police notebook that has all of the details of you dropping your dacks to a room full of kids. Yes, he still has it, I've seen it. The courts would love to see it too.

Have a nice night, you failed as your old man did, it runs in the family
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« Reply #154 on: Sunday08August2010 »

Just when everything was quiet Judas Tate sticks his head up again.  Man this idiot is so full of himself it is a wonder he can contain himself.  With Tate there is always an excuse and only a "man who has been wounded" would assualt a disabled veteran.  I wonder if we should now contact all the libraries etc that he visited detailing the full court case.  No conviction maybe recorded but he was found guilty.
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« Reply #153 on: Saturday07August2010 »

Goodness me how bright Tate is, not. Now from memory there were around 133 men in a Company. Then there were 9 Battalions during the Vietnam War.

Then anybody, just anybody could use the nickname D371 to muddy the waters and confuse whoever might be reading this forum.

Nah Tate. You gotta do better than that. You need an IP address for D371 And I have no doubt you will never get one from AVM.

It's a funny old world aint it. Ever noticed how the chooks always come home to roost. That's what's happened with this crook Tate and his mad galah mob.

I notice they have all gone very very quiet. Good on the AVM people for posting stuff when the galahs do open their mouths these days. Tho I have no doubt they have their own little incestuous email list where they whisper sweet nothings in each others ears. Ah thank God for AVM. I haven't had so much peace since 2006 when the galahs thought they were going to take over the veteran community and the internet forums.
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« Reply #152 on: Saturday07August2010 »

Gee they are a clever lot----not.

Ages ago a small minded group of the galahs put their heads together [ pun intended ] and came up with a profile for Fergus and others. This profile gathering and hunting was led by none other than Brigadier Neil Weekes, who remains in the background these days for reasons best known to himself. Anyway there is no doubt in my mind that the "WE" refers to Weekes at least. Weekes took a hell of a credibility battering over many many months and was made to look the fool and liar and biased observer he is.

So I'll betcha the "WE" includes Weekes.

This latest drivel from criminal Tate is just his typical bluff and huff and puff.

For him to take action against anybody on AVM he must be able to PROVE in a Court that nicknames are who he says they are and he must be able to prove, even if he gets the names, that those people were actually sitting at the keyboard typing what he limply objects to. He hates the truth with venom.

Tate is just a compulsive, lying criminal bastard who accuses others of what he hates about himself. eg paedophilia, homsexuality, drug taking, bully, fake, wannabe etc.

It's just a matter of time until he breaks out again and clobbers somebody else----or worse. Let's hope next time he ends up behind bars.

He is a criminal pervert---period, end of story.
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« Reply #151 on: Friday06August2010 »

Little donny boy tater who tells everyone he is correct in all things he sprouts can't seem to make his mind up in his latest blurb to one and all.
He starts off with: "I need to learn the identity " and then changes it to :"What we already suspect is that his ". If he needs to know the identity then who the hell is "we"?
Once again his command of the English language leaves much to be desired, and this from an ex-teacher?


From: Donald Tate
To: Allen Petersen
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 3:35 PM
Subject: SEARCHING FOR MAGGOT "D371"


Veterans
 
Some months ago, a maggot calling himself "D371" posted a couple of entries on the AVM web site.
One of those stated that I had "dropped my pants" in front of a class of school students and that the matter had been investigated by Dapto Police.
Now, the NSW Police Service has already provided written confirmation that no such incident occurred, nor ever investigated.
After legal advice, I intend pursuing him under the Telecomunications Act: Section 474:17.
His mates, Spartakus and Fergus also made contributions to the same entry (telling "D371" to provide proof of his allegations or pull it)- so I will investigate whether they can be called as witnesses.
Should be quite interesting how it pans out.
However, first, I need to learn the identity of "D371" AND WOULD APPRECIATE ANY INFORMATION AS TO THAT MAGGOT'S IDENTITY.
 
What we already suspect is that his pseudonym "D371" probably stands for:
- "D" = "D" Company
- "3" =  RAR"
- "71" = 1971 TOUR
 
What we know about 'D371" so far is:
- that he isn't a man; or if he is, he has no balls
- that he claims to have been an infantryman, yet hasn't got the guts to use his real name on emails, or the cowards' web site
- that he sends misinformation to fellow maggots (even more stupid than "D371" is) and lets those others wear the fall out
 
We also have been advised of the following:
- that he claims to have been a section commander in Vietnam, but actually was a L/Cpl in the Q-store and saw no action
- he was removed from a ESO position in the Illawarra because of light fingers when it came to fund-raising venrures
- he was dismissed from a post in the VVFA for various rorts and frauds
- that he is so stupid, he has attempted suicide on four occasions and still hasn't managed it
- that he obtained TPI's for a number of local veterans based on outright fraudulent claims (like the sailor who admits it willingly, and the engineer who had rocks thrown at his grader once on the rubbish tip in Vung Tau)
- he is usually regarded as the biggest mouth at 3RAR re-unions, and mocked behind his back
 
(I am indebted to a local identity, Peter Jones for certain information about this maggot. Jones is wheelchair-bound, and was used as a raffle ticket-seller by D371 at race meetings and golf days as the ESO gathered 'welfare funds'. Jones came to see me some years ago (as did three other local veterans) to express his annoyance and concerns that "D371" considered himself worthy of those welfare funds without applying for them- he skimmed the cream off the top, till they sprung him.)
 
I believe I already know who he is, but any further information would be appreciated so as to have it verified.
Regards
 
Don Tate

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« Reply #150 on: Tuesday03August2010 »

Brian Weir is the General Manager of Shellharbour Council and has been since the 1980s and he is extremely influential in both business and NSW Sports. This is the area of Sth NSW where criminal Tate lives.

Weir is currently the Chairman of the Illawarra Academy of Sports.  Brian Weir has held that position for many years. If you look at the Academys 1996 year book it says  that Weir then held the position of Vice Chairman.  Brian Weir is another victim of Tate's dishonesty and premeditated trickiness and thugishness.   

Tate is what the yanks describe as a bunco artist, that is, a swindler and cheat, a real confidence trickster who is always on the hustle, and prepared to cheat anyone, irrespective of how poor they may be. This includes Vietnam Vets.
 
There is probably sufficient evidence provided by Tate's Commemorative Project site, with particular reference to the chronological sequence of potential exhibits listed and curiously all marked for identification, that Tate was intending to take out a further statement of claim against Brian Weir for discrimination.  Tate's greed and failure in 1997 would have prompted this further slimy rigged scam.
 
There is no evidence to prove whether Tate initiated any form of litigation but one can certainly speculate on his intentions to again litigate for discrimination, which is his general modus operandi. Note, that Tate again uses and callously abuses the good faith and genuine intentions of the other Vietnam veterans' input into this Albion Park tree planting and plaque debacle.  It needs to be put to Tate that the whole commemoration project was a fraudulent business swindle with Brian Weir settling the matter out of court by first agreeing and guaranteeing that he would ensure nomination of Tate for an ASM [ Australian Sports Medal , which Tate wears with his Veteran medals ].   
 
Who else in the cricket fraternity would propose, and nominate that Tate should be awarded with an ASM?   By the year 2000, Tate had already fallen out with everyone concerned with cricket.  The documentary evidence is provided to assume he was unwelcome by all cricket clubs [ see previous post and attatchment ]
 
I have been informed by a reliable source that Tate also received from the Council an out of court settlement amounting to a substantial sum of money WHICH provided a European holiday for Tate and his wife.  This settlement arise from the project and should have been donated (rather than  Don take it) to the Commemorative project or be distributed to the Commemorative committee members.
 
In relation to the ASM. Most of the medals were presented to people following their nomination by the sports community. Peak sports bodies (the Illawarra Academy of Sports, presided over by Brian Weir) recognised or funded by the Australian Sports Commission were given quotas according to a formula based on the number of their registered competitors. All Australian parliamentarians were able to make nominations. The medals were progressively awarded during the year 2000.  Thus the nomination could only have been consented to by Brian Weir himself and certainly under duress!
 
Tate raised anti-discrimination matters with Shellharbour Council before award of ASM?  Read Tate's Shellharbour massacre page.  Sorting out fact from fiction with this person is very difficult.
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« Reply #149 on: Monday02August2010 »

Make no mistake about the size of Tates ego and depravity.

If Tate had never been wounded in action in Vietnam this is what he would have done and said.

He would have spun a new story which belittled all those who had been WIA and blamed them for not being competent Soldiers.

He would have then gone on to say that you don't have to be wounded in action to be a hero. Why just look at me for example he would say.

Tate uses several things as stage props.

One is his WIA tag.

Two is his walking stick. That stick is a stage prop and only comes out when he wants the sympathy vote and wants to world to know he is a poor wounded Vietnam Veteran.
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« Reply #148 on: Monday02August2010 »

Aye Fergus

Your so right. No fisticuffs etc,
He will self destruct without any help from me.

His self delusion is breathtaking at times.

Appeal??? Against his non-recorded conviction??? LOL
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« Reply #147 on: Monday02August2010 »

That is very sound advice from Fergus. Please do not make threats of violence against any one or get involved in any form of fisticuffs with Tate or any one from his gang of dip shits.  Donnie Boy is smart enough to get him self punched out with out any of the Gentleman from the Vietnam Veterans groups getting involved. Give it time, Donnie Boy is working on it and he is going to get it right one day. Grin
 Maybe after he puts the Magistrate in his place regarding his "No Conviction Recorded." and wins that apeal,  he will pick the wrong invalid to abuse and assault. Unless I am mistaken and I don't think I am, it will not be to long before Donnie Boy, swings another "King Hit" in anger and rage.
 Now that is interesting; "How can a Queen throw a King Hit??" Maybe that is what confused the Magistrate? Huh
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« Reply #146 on: Monday02August2010 »

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Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:39 AM
Subject: Don Tate


A little bit more information on this ---- when he was a school teacher at a High School in the Illawarra.

When he was a teacher in the class room if he did not like a person look out, he also threw the duster at anybody and at one stage threw a chair at a student, called the girls names.

When the school would hold their ANZAC service this person would bring his class, then disappear untill the service was over.

In the newspaper in the Illawarra his name has been mentioned numerous times complaning about anything and everything. Ask his ex cricket club what he was like,or other organisations that he was in.

This type of person gives the VIETNAM VETS the wrong type of name.  Like the old saying is  ONE BAD APPLE SPOILS THE BUNCH.



  Mr. xxxxxxxx
  Ex R.A.N.  Rxxxxx.
     
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« Reply #145 on: Friday30July2010 »

Of course we all know that not only being an erudite and accomplished author, war historian, movie maker, corruption fighter, and influentially gifted, he also now claims to understand legal issues?  My God, he must be getting his legal advice from Barry Corse, or Wilsthire, QC, to even contemplate and appeal, or is well versed in the law....did he represent himself the other day or accompanied by a lawyer?


What in the hell is he going to appeal on, what grounds?  One can only imagine......the sentence was manifestly inadequate.

This will not be the last time Tate is before the courts as the defendant...he will do over, or at least try some other digger, veteran, matlow etc ...he is just the big man around town, and dont mess with me !!!
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« Reply #144 on: Friday30July2010 »

Come on “Boots” and “Jimmy”, both you sluggers would be 60 years old or more. Let’s have no pipe dreams that we can still settle arguments by bringing on the “biff”.  That’s what Tate did, and that’s why he has been found guilty of a criminal act.

Let’s have no more threats of fisticuffs, there is nothing sillier or more immature than old men “bringing on the biff”.

Killing someone is as easy as pushing them over to hit their head on the bottom steps of the Opera House, and that act would land you in a cage for quite a few years.

It is also noted that Tate’s propensity to be a pathological liar has again been illustrated. After being proven guilty of “King Hitting” a very ill ex Pusser Tate vehemently denies the crime and is spouting about appeals.

Tate just ain’t worth it; tell everyone what you think about him, but “no biff”. Gray nomad activities are far better than gray walls that surround.

Aye

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« Reply #143 on: Friday30July2010 »

So now we have three thugs, fakes and wannabes in the galahs who have fallen foul of the Law.

Briggs sent a poster to all and sundry some years ago threatening the life of then DVA Minister Billson and was visited by the AFP on the instructions of PM Howard. Briggs also fell foul of the Military Law when in Vietnam and ended up locked up in the brig at Tan Son Nhut, courtesy of the MPs.

Heavenly active Church member George Craig was interviewed by the SA police with regard to his suspected online business scam.

And now Tate. Tate has fronted Court before but won. He will end up in Court again because he never learns.

Oh and then there was Barry Corse who was found with a civilian weapon in his military kit while in the Army. He never has explained that one. And then WO2 Keith Joyce who, while drunk, bashed and beat one of his Diggers .

This has come in.

From: xxxxxxxx
To: AVM
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 8:41 PM
Subject: Tate has a new career


Tate the Supermarket Basher won his first fight but was disqualified by the judge.

Latest swell from the sewer is that he has booked in to a famous Cage-Fighting gymnasium located at The Gong to make sure he can take out the judge on an appeal.
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« Reply #142 on: Friday30July2010 »

Tate,

Obviously you misheard the comments of Magistrate Mabbutt's comments on seeing the the cctv. He saw what happened and understood the situation as he saw it.
 The finding of guilty was a perfect fit!
Tell me Tate, did you ever get to be a substantive Private?

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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« Reply #141 on: Friday30July2010 »

HI,

Now we know, publicly at least or the public knows, that Tate is nothing more than a low life, a parasite and a maggot. The veteran he assaulted is in bad need of an oxygen bottle to help him breath. Tate picked his mark!

However, he has made himself a target, he is now open to to the vitriol that he has caste on numerous Vietnam veterans, payback time is here! To his face he won't be able to do anything about it. Bring it on!

He is the only Vietnam veteran that I would not have a beer with, I'm sure I'll see him in Wollongong, and its going to be party time.

Revenge is best served cold!
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« Reply #140 on: Friday30July2010 »

This lying, self serving sicko will try and worm his way out of everything. In the world criminal Tate lives in it is everybody else's fault and he is always right. He should have been drowned at birth.

From: Donald Tate
To: Allen Petersen
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:55 AM
Subject: Newspaper story re Tate Court Matter..NO CONVICTION RECORDED!


The attached story appeared in today's Illawarra Mercury.

As I pointed out earlier, NO CONVICTION was recorded.

Nevertheless, I will be seeking to appeal the result in due course.

Of more interest is the fact that the arresting police officer admitted he had never seen the result of a "king hit" in his career,
yet determined that the red mark on Clark's face was such evidence of one!

And found guilty of an assault when no punch was apparent on the cctv footage.

Regards

Don Tate


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« Reply #139 on: Friday30July2010 »

So, it has been proven publicly  that Tate is liar. It has also been proven by the magistrate's decision of guilty of assault that Tate lied under oath. Did he lie when he said that he did not lay a hand on the Navy gentleman? The magistrate thought so. Did he also lie when he demanded that he be given a mattress for his poor back. Has he also lied in his claims that DVA has not cared for him? Has he lied when he stated that his wife drives him around. Did he lie when he caused DVA to give him a car? Has he also lied in his despicable attempts to demean other veterans? Tate has proven to the world that he is liar who is prepared to lie under oath. He will probably attempt to tell the world now that because there was no conviction recorded that he was in effect, found not guilty. Tate, no conviction recorded does not make you innocent, you were found guilty. You should have been hanged for impersonating a human and stealing oxygen.

Tate is rat cunning. He thought that by getting out of sight of the cameras he would be found not guilty. No so Tate. Did you see the clothes he appeared in Court in? No respect for the Court. Tate has no respect for anybody except himself. He really needs locking up because he is one sick, pathetic, warped danger to society. He will continue on and more will happen until he is locked up, in a jail. I have often wondered how his poor wife puts up with him. She is probably intimidated and browbeaten like all hell and he probably has told her so many lies for so long she knows no different and believes what he says.

Tate has gotten off charges before but this time his ego led him astray. He probably thought he was invincible in the face of the law.

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« Reply #138 on: Friday30July2010 »

I think it's quite appropriate that they offered this thuggish ape a monkey bar.

I think his "punishment" is a bloody joke. However, I am sure it won't be long before
he attacks someone else & it should be a proper conviction next time.

Hope your reading this Judas. Try & hit me & I will whip your sorry ass on behalf
of all the people you have abused & bashed yourself.

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« Reply #137 on: Friday30July2010 »

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SMH Letter 18 July 2005

Poor homecoming for veterans


When Australia sends its troops off to war, it promises they'll be looked after on their return - especially if they are wounded or disabled. But the reality is far different. I was badly wounded 36 years ago in Vietnam and have significant orthopedic disabilities. Last week, I approached the Department of Veterans Affairs about the possibility of the department providing me with a new mattress to enable me to sleep more comfortably after a recent hip reconstruction.

The response - they would not provide a mattress but would provide a bed stick to help me turn over, a monkey-bar apparatus, or I could turf my wife out and they'd provide me with a single, hospital-style bed. Insensitive bastards.

Don Tate Albion Park Rail


His handicap never restricted his movement to bash a fellow veteran.
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Thanks for that Spartakus.
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« Reply #135 on: Friday30July2010 »

Criminal tate

To read the attach clearly you will have to open the attachment boys and girls. Just click on the paper clip or click on the pic.



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D371.
Any chance of seeing the full story for those who can't access the paper?
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« Reply #133 on: Friday30July2010 »

Tate, you are the lowest of low.  Assulting a man with severe asbestosis.  If you have any guts meet me on the bottom steps of the Sydney Opera House next Sunday morning at 4am and we will see how brave you really are.  You have one week and two days to get there.  Don't be late!!
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« Reply #132 on: Friday30July2010 »

Don Tate was found guilty of assault yesterday in Wollongong Court.

The Magistrate, Mr Mabbutt, sentenced Tate to a Good Behaviour Bond with no conviction recorded (a s10 I think it's called).

Mr Mabbutt said, don't laugh, "Taking into account his service  history and extensive community work, he placed Tate on a good behaviour bond and did not record a conviction."

Community work? A joke. Service history - a nothing.

The article can be found on p4 of todays edition of the Illawarra Mercury.

Guilty is enough, it shows what a maggot he is!   Wink
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« Reply #131 on: Friday30July2010 »

Don't post this as I don't know the sentence.

Knobby was too sick to stay for that. I'm hoping he didn't get a "no conviction recorded", s10 I think it is.

It may be in today's Mercury, as it was arranged for a journo to be there.


I'll let you know as soon as I find out.
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« Reply #130 on: Thursday29July2010 »

So Donny Boy Tatter takes on those who can not defend them selves. The sick and the invalid.
 No surprise, if you don't carry a bolt in your rifle you can't be accused of being part of the war effort.

The thing is a disgraceful streak of crap. a coward, and a menace to human life. I can't help thinking that the nog who shot him in the back, should have been court marshaled, or back squadded and retrained. I would normally respect a man who had/has war wounds. But in the case of this thing I can't feel any thing except contempt for that poorly trained nog.
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« Reply #129 on: Thursday29July2010 »

In relation to Tate's appearance in Wollongong Local Court today, he was found guilty of the assault on a severely disabled former Naval veteran with severe asbestosis. The poor bastard can hardly breath.

He even trotted out his old preposturous accusation of: "If you haven't been shot you desereve nothing".

He even gave an explanation that his hip gives out. The Magistrate did state in his judgement that at the time of the offence, on CCTV, Tate was not using a walking stick. He turned up in Court with one. The Magistrate was very observive and no fool.

Tate failed, justice won.

Guilty was the verdict and then the Magistrate, with both Counsels, went to his rooms to discuss sentence. We all had to leave for personal reasons and we may get the full final results tomorrow.

What a prick this clown is!

Guilty!!!!   Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley

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« Reply #128 on: Thursday29July2010 »

We keep busy at AVM. We do have lives and work to boot. But today we had the chance to check the bona fides of the Septemus email address septemusprime@gmail.com

Before I go on how many times has it been that the galahs have whined, moaned, complained and criticised us for openly using anonymous email and forum systems. I've lost count.

We do however use a legitimate email address admin@austvetmatters.net

Anyway lo and behold silly old Septemus is not using an anonymous email address, he used a fake email address. IT DOES NOT NOW EXIST.

We tried to validate his email address and this is what came up

Email Address   
Result Rejected 
Log Connect:
Get MX for gmail.com... OK.
Connect to gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com... OK
= 220 mx.google.com ESMTP h38si503501qcm.161
> EHLO email-verifier.net
= 250-mx.google.com at your service, [209.160.72.213]
250-SIZE 35651584
250-8BITMIME
250 ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
> MAIL FROM: <info@email-verifier.net>
= 250 2.1.0 OK h38si503501qcm.161
> RCPT TO: <septemusprime@gmail.com>
= 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not exist. Please try
550-5.1.1 double-checking the recipient's email address for typos or
550-5.1.1 unnecessary spaces. Learn more at
550 5.1.1 http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6596 h38si503501qcm.161
> QUIT


So you see, they do not practice what they preach. Aint that surprising now.

If I was a betting man I would say Septemus is Brigadier Neil Weekes, and if I am right we will eventually prove my contention....no doubt about that at all.

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« Reply #127 on: Wednesday28July2010 »

Don Tate is an imbecilic, maniacal, conspiracy theorist who is supported by the fools, liars and wannabes of the Mad Galah persuasion. Have just had a look, at Tate’s web site and he hints at having identified Fergus, (again). He is a bit cautious now because his previous guesses were as  equally wrong as his latest paranoiac rhapsody.

First it was an ex Naval Officer living in NZ, then it was an eminent legal practitioner from NSW or the ACT. Now it is the well known and much respected retired Senior Army Officer, Brian Avery ex 4 RAR.  This is what fool Don Tate has to say on his web site.

10. Brian Avery

I don't know if Brian Avery is a contributor to the AVM web site, or not. What I do know is that Brian Avery is a former platoon commander of 4RAR- and 4RAR members are heavily involved in the nefarious activities on the AVM web site. His email address was left on an email I received from a 'Fergus Fairfax'- a cowardly contributor to the AVM web site. I confronted Avery about the matter, and he denied that he was, and was indignant that anyone thought so, and was at a complete loss as to how come his email address appeared on top of that AVM email. We had further correspondence about it, and discussed one of his books that had a vague reference to me in it.

Now, Lt Col Brian Avery is an intelligent man- a man of letters, the author of four books in fact- an accomplished writer. Yet…..when I apologised to him for suggesting that perhaps he was ‘Fergus Fairfax’ and that others were thinking the same thing, THIS was his reply (sic):

Email; Wednesday, 18 March, 2009 11:26 PM
From: "Brian Avery" < bjavery39@bigpond.com This e-mail address is being protected from spambots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it >

Mr Tate
I accept your apology. As for the account of the contact you were involved in, undedrtans  that people will have varying p[erceptions  of an incident. An example is a road accident wwwith four witnesses, each of whom will give a different account of the event. As a historian, I can only go on the available evidence. Perhaps at the time of writing I had your story, it may have been weitten differently. I hope this finishes my involvment.
Brian Avery

Now, I am not suggesting for a minute that Brian Avery is ‘Fergus Fairfax’ or that he has anything to do with the AVM web site. However, it’s interesting to compare the email addresses of both ‘Fergus’ and Brian Avery:

- Fergus Fairfax’ email is: fergus39@gmail.com this e-mail address is being protected from spambots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it
- Brian Avery’s email is: bjavery39@bigpond.com This e-mail address is being protected from spambots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it

And that's all I'll say about it.


Brigadier Neil Weekes led the Mad Galahs in their charge to unmask Fergus, and probably still does.  Every now and then the Mad Galah fools send out a “Wanted Poster”, containing a description of Fergus that was created by Weekes.

Prior to that Weekes was communicating with Fergus under a flag of truce and honour, however Weekes was only bluffing and his “honour” was not worth a crumpet.

Stupid Tate has again come to a  ridiculous  conclusion about Fergus, in the same way he has, in all of his stupid conspiracy theories about  “his” 2nd D&E Platoon and of corruption and dishonesty among the Officers and men of the Australian Defence Force.

Tate is a fools fool, and is well placed among those who call themselves the Mad Galahs.

Aye

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« Reply #126 on: Wednesday28July2010 »

Hi all,

Arsehole Tate is to appear in Wollongong Local Court tomorrow charged with the assault he performed on a very sick, physically disabled, Vietnam veteran.

I shall pass on the details tomorrow night.

Regards.
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« Reply #125 on: Wednesday28July2010 »

Well goodness me. We replied to an email which was sent to us by "somebody" who does not use their name. We never asked this person/s to send us an email.

We have obviously hit some raw nerves with our reply.

There have been two responses to our reply to the anonymous email sender, one from Westerway and one from Patterson.

Both of these characters are fakes, wannabes, would bes if they could bes and in Westerways case he is guilty of the financial child abuse of his own children by refusing to provide for them, according to his own daughter.

Patterson claims to have been a Vietnam Veteran but never set foot on Vietnamese soil and never sailed in Vietnamese waters.

We don't need to post their rubbish for you to read because it is the usual lies, bile and stupidity. If you want a copy just email admin@austvetmatters.net

BUT. while we have your attention, have a gecko at these fakes again by reading up on them here

http://www.anzmi.net/patterson/patterson.html

http://www.austvetmatters.net/westerway.html

http://www.austvetmatters.net/terrywesterway.html
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This clown is purely relying on hearsay evidence...his alleged knowledge is nothing more than bullshit, and useless in any court.

and did not LTCOL and others have the abbreviations in those days as LTCOL, LCPL, etc...this was Staff duties and accepted abbreviations...and not abbreviated by the   LT/COL

or is my memory slipping?

what a tool he must be

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« Reply #123 on: Tuesday27July2010 »

AVM has received an anonymous email from "somebody" who is obviously a
Tate clone and drone. You can read his/her email at the end. Isn't it
funny how the galah galoots whine and moan about us openly using anon
systems yet this bloke or blokette will not give his/her name.
Hypocrisy at it's most blatant.

We have replied and this is our reply.

From: admin@austvetmatters.net

To: septemusprime@gmail.com

Cc: admin@austvetmatters.net

Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 4:54 PM
Subject: Your tate email

Thanks for your email. We don't give a flying about Tates atrocity
allegations. Anyway we fail to see why you would send such information
to us? There is nothing we can do about your alleged inside
information and prima facie evidence.

We suggest you do one or all of the following with your information.

1. Make out statutory declarations defining all the alleged evidence
you hold and hand the declarations and any evidence and names of
witnesses to the AFP.

2. Make an appointment to see your local member, take your
declarations with you and ask for a Senate Inquiry through the Senate
Defence Standing Committee. Better still call for a Royal Commission.

3. Take your declarations to the media and let them judge if your
evidence is strong enough to expose the matters in the national media.

Having said this we make these points.

We totally reject Tates claims that details of his 2nd D&E Pl together
with personal records were expunged and that the Defence Forces at the
time were corrupt.

The alleged Thua Tich Xuyen Moc atrocities opened up by Tate have
played a very small part on the AVM website and it has been Cavalry
members who were part of the ambush and movement to Xuyen Moc who
state categorically that no atrocities occurred as described by Tate.

AVM has always stated that Tate has every right to write a book. Our
argument with Tate is his behaviour towards fellow Veterans, the
leadership of the ADF and AWM and the current ADF.

We also note that an SAS member who was part of the Thua Tich ambush
setting and a D&E Pl member who was in the Thua Tich ambush site have
both stated that Tate was not part of the ambush, arriving the next
day or so.

Tate has an appalling record for making personal attacks on fellow
Veterans, former senior Officers of good character and his own D&E Pl
members. He is a fraud, wannabe and fake who is trying to make money
from the suffering of other Vietnam Veterans and his own exaggerated
military service.

Tate is well known in his home area by the Police and locals as a very
vicious and abusive trouble maker and con.

AVM Admin.

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From:* Septemus Prime septemusprime@gmail.com
 
To: admin@austvetmatters.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:12 AM
Subject:* Don Tate.

The occurrences which were documented by Don Tate in his book 'The War
Within' did indeed occur.

I happened to be working at AHQ in Canberra shortly after the event
and I can tell you the incident
 
caused quite a stir, especially within the ranks of the Australian
Army Public Relations Service.
 
I recall a mad scramble headed by Lt/Col Lance Logan, the CO; and
Major Ross McKenzie (2IC).

I was informed of the incident by Captain Eric Barnett, well after the
fact. The incident was common
 
knowledge by all members of the AAPRS. A complete statement of denial
was written at that time at
 
the highest level at AHQ to thwart inquiries from journalists and news
organizations should the incident
 
become widespread public knowledge. Lt/Col Logan oversaw this.

The Australian Army deliberately destroyed documentation, falsified
documentation and intimidated
 
witnesses to cover up certain unsavory acts and atrocities committed
by Australian soldiers in the field
 
in South Vietnam.

16mm cinefilm and 35mm photographs did exist showing an APC towing
dead suspected Viet Cong through
 
a muddy field. I saw the film myself before it miraculously
'disappeared' from AAPRS custody. It was not something
 
anyone could ever forget after viewing.

The AAPRS was charged with the processing and release of all
'official' media activity concerning the Army's role in Vietnam.
 
Those images deemed un-PR-like, were censored and listed NFR (not for
release). Images showing death and destruction
 
were always marked NFR. Images of Diggers receiving awards, doing good
deeds for the local population, attending to the
 
medical and nutritional needs of villagers were always good PR and
released for publication. The AAPRS was highly active
 
in controlling information, anything portraying Australia's
involvement in Vietnam in a 'positive' light was deemed 'good' PR.

The people of Australia owe Don Tate a huge apology. Those most vocal
in shouting him down should be suspected
 
as either stupid, insane, or perhaps part of the cover up, which has
continued far too long.



AVM WEBSITE
www.austvetmatters.net

PS...Fergus is always on the ball and has dug this up about Septimus Prime. Have a good larrrrrf.

http://zobovor.tripod.com:80/septimus_prime_tfu.html
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« Reply #122 on: Tuesday27July2010 »

Another one of Tate's "proactive" messages is doing the rounds at the moment. Naturally he starts off with trying to slip the knife in to Bob Buick and Alan Price, again. Make what you will out of the anonymous message. Me? Maybe I'm biased but I don't believe a word.

"As you are aware, ever since I set out to validate the existence of the 2nd D&E Platoon (and even more so after "The War Within" was published) I have been torn apart by savages within the veteran community, not the least of which was Bob Buick and Alan Price.
I received the email below, overnight. Given all that has transpired, I think you'll find it interesting.
Regards
Don Tate"


From: Septemus Prime <septemusprime@gmail.com>
To: warvet_69@yahoo.com
Sent: Tue, 27 July, 2010 3:15:06 AM
Subject: Don Tate

The occurrences which were documented by Don Tate in his book 'The War Within' did indeed occur.
 
 
I happened to be working at AHQ in Canberra shortly after the event and I can tell you the incident
 
caused quite a stir, especially within the ranks of the Australian Army Public Relations Service.
 
I recall a mad scramble headed by Lt/Col Lance Logan, the CO; and Major Ross McKenzie (2IC).
 
 
I was informed of the incident by Captain Eric Barnett, well after the fact. The incident was common
 
knowledge by all members of the AAPRS. A complete statement of denial was written at that time at
 
the highest level at AHQ to thwart inquiries from journalists and news organizations should the incident
 
become widespread public knowledge. Lt/Col Logan oversaw this. 
 
 
The Australian Army deliberately destroyed documentation, falsified documentation and intimidated
 
witnesses to cover up certain unsavory acts and atrocities committed by Australian soldiers in the field
 
in South Vietnam. 
 
 
16mm cinefilm and 35mm photographs did exist showing an APC towing dead suspected Viet Cong through
 
a muddy field. I saw the film myself before it miraculously 'disappeared' from AAPRS custody. It was not something
 
anyone could ever forget after viewing. 
 
 
The AAPRS was charged with the processing and release of all 'official' media activity concerning the Army's role in Vietnam.
 
Those images deemed un-PR-like, were censored and listed NFR (not for release). Images showing death and destruction
 
were always marked NFR. Images of Diggers receiving awards, doing good deeds for the local population, attending to the
 
medical and nutritional needs of villagers were always good PR and released for publication. The AAPRS was highly active
 
in controlling information, anything portraying Australia's involvement in Vietnam in a 'positive' light was deemed 'good' PR.
 
 
The people of Australia owe Don Tate a huge apology. Those most vocal in shouting him down should be suspected
 
as either stupid, insane, or perhaps part of the cover up, which has continued far too long.
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« Reply #121 on: Wednesday02June2010 »

As has been said many times before, by the Mentors of the AVM.  When these Mad Galahs stop their attacks on Innocent and Worthy Brothers who are Veterans of the Highest Order, there will be peace and quite in the Garden. Until then any Mad Galaha as fare as I am concerned is fair  game.
Each and every one of them has screamed Blue Bloody Murder when they have been singled out for their lies and false hoods regarding, at best, their incompetent service to the Queen and Her Colony.
They have falsely worn medals, added to or embellished their service records to deceive the public with their lies, and stories of great valour. Some have even tried to deceive their own families with their lies of heroism and valour.

The biggest problem confronting the Mad Galahs  is, there are those who were actually at the different battles and incidents they try to lay heroic claim to. When challenged about their lies and twisted stories of valour, the mob at the Mad Galaha's,  on whole revert back to their normal attack of vile accusations against the person presenting the truth or questioning their statements of valour.
When the last Mad Galah wilts on the vine of lies and deceit, the wold will be a better place.
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« Reply #120 on: Tuesday01June2010 »

It is so refreshing to see men standing up to Tate and his cronies, plus exposing them for what they are. Tate & Petersen are quite simply a disgrace to the Veteran community in Australia.
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« Reply #119 on: Tuesday01June2010 »

Here, here PQ.  The experiences Bob and GEN Cosgrove brought to the Army Training System are in-valuble.  They were both positive contributors to the Army and I dare say that has continued into their civilian life. Tate, you and your croney mates are just down right disrespectful and should be ashamed of yourselves.  You keep this shit up and you will fall and you will fall hard.  You are just an angry man and not just for what you write on this site; it's all between the lines in your book.  Grow up and take heed from the anonymous contributor below otherwise find a hole, crawl into and shut your gob.
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« Reply #118 on: Tuesday01June2010 »

Well said to AVM's anonymous contributor below in Spartakus' post.

Bob Buick and General Cosgrove are much respected within the veteran community, and Tate's unsubstantiated lies about both of them are nothing short of outrageous.

When will this bitter and twisted grub realise that he is just piling more veteran scorn on his own head when he tries to sully reputations of decorated and honourable men like Buick and Cosgrove.

Does it sell more of his rubbish book? Is it a case of "whatever it takes, and bugger the consequences"?

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« Reply #117 on: Tuesday01June2010 »

CHECK SAFE ..... COCK YOUR WEAPON ...... LET THE WORKING PARTS GO FORWARD UNDER THEIR OWN CONTROL .....CHECK  SAFE AGAIN ......  YOU ARE NOW IN THE ACTION CONDITION!

BUT; you can't really get to the action condition unless you have a bolt in your weapon...

Infantry man my arse.  Can't even carryout basic soldierly skills.  Glad I wasn't on that patrol.  Your lucky Bob Buick wasn't your platoon sergeant, he would of ripped your arsehole out...

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« Reply #116 on: Tuesday01June2010 »

AVM has received the following email. It speaks for itself and we have no intention or need to make comment on what this author has stated.

From: xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: admin@austvetmatters.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 1:11 PM
Subject: A Message for Don Tate


Dear Admin,
I do not know how to get in contact with Don Tate so I wrote this email in the hope you will put it on your website so he can read it.  Please let me know if its OK.

Dear Mr. Tate,
I am an avid supporter of the AVM site for one good reason.  They, along with ANZMI do the job that I believe should be done by the AFP and that is get rid of the low life frauds in our community.  They are doing a great job and without these organizations, ANZAC Day would bring out all these disgusting frauds who march around proud as punch wearing medals they have no entitlement to.  It makes me sick to see a person wearing the medals I earned and they have never left the shores of Australia.

I occasionally visit the AVM site to see what is going on in the veteran community.  I don't think the AVM site is a place to broadcast an email about Bob Buick to the world. You say he keeps bouncing your emails, however, have you heard of Australian Post?   I don't personally know Bob, never spoke to him, wrote to him or emailed him.  However, being a career soldier of 20+ years, I have heard a lot about Bob and everything I have heard about this man has been of the highest order.  He was a war hero and he finished his career as a Warrant Officer Class One.  You don't make WOI if your character is questionable.  Your dislike for Bob stems from the fact he would not place a plaque for you back in 2000 for some trees you planted.  From there it got worse and you decided to conjure up garbage to belittle Bob, what a sorry man you are.

You also took a swipe at GEN Cosgrove, a fine officer I served under for a few years.  Did you serve under him in Vietnam?  Did you ever serve under him?  If you had of you would not dare say a bad word about this man, a man I looked up to as a young soldier and still do today.  GEN Cosgrove is the most popular general this country has ever seen and that includes being more popular than Field Marshall Blamey.  GEN Cosgrove has a civilian following, that’s how popular he is and there is good reason he is so popular and that is he was/is a bloody excellent leader.  Oh that’s right, the whole of Australia is wrong and you're right!

There are a number of points I would like to set you straight on with regard to your email.  The first one is:

You said Bob Buick made the statement the CO 1 ATF could do what he wanted with men at his disposal.  That is correct.  Apart from re-naming the task force and changing its major structure, the CO of a unit (1ATF) can raise and get rid of sub-units (D&E Platoon) as he sees fit.  A sub-unit is the responsibility of the CO and if he wanted to raise a 2nd D&E Platoon he can.  This has no bearing on the Army Orbat.  Unless a platoon is an independent unit, the CO/OC of a unit can do what ever he likes within his unit.  I was in a troop that changed names three times over ten years of my career.  It happened way back then and is still happening today.  A young soldier like yourself at the time wouldn't necessarily understand the principles of war.  Things like flexibility, simplicity, economy of force etc are basic principles of war and a commander needs to take these principles into account and re-arranging his unit to match the operation is something he needs to consider. The 2nd D&E Platoon may of existed but to the Army Orbat it didn't. Please don't get into an argument unless you know what you are talking about.

The second point was GEN Cosgrove allowing mitigating circumstances into a case of another soldier.  Neither GEN Cosgrove or Bob Buick have a say in this matter.  Under military law it is the right of the accused to produce mitigating circumstances if he wants to.  No matter what the charge is, if you want to introduce mitigating circumstances into the case you have every right, it’s the law, its military law.

There are a few more minor points that I could go into but I wont here.

I'm going to ask AVM to allow this email on their site.  My reason is I feel Bob and GEN Cosgrove were denigrated by you and you were totally wrong about what was said as I pointed out to you.  In other words I feel you are wrong and they are right. Also I don't know your email address so this is the only way to contact you.

I don't take the side of AVM until I read the other sides story.  I would have to say in most cases AVM have been right and there seems to be a tendency by some people to embellish their service whether it has been for more entitlements or just for self glory.  I don't understand why some people can't tell their story as it was.  If they have graced the pages of AVM or ANZMI then they most probably deserved it.  I will continue to support them until the AFP and the courts take these matters seriously and rid society of these people.

My last point is mate ship.  Having joined the Army just after the Vietnam War, my first unit was full of Vietnam Veterans and I formed some pretty close friendships with these men.  I also have mates from my era and my operational deployments.  My son who has been overseas on four operations has a lot of veteran mates as well and I get to hang out with them to.  I probably have more veteran mates than you and I don't have a bad word to say about any of them.  They are my brothers and I can go anywhere in Australia and New Zealand, make a phone call and be sitting down having a beer with them that night.  It’s a good feeling and all veterans should have that same privilege.

For the sake of mate ship, put all this shit behind you and get on with life.  Its sad watching veterans fighting each other and it isn't the way we intended it to be.  Go back to your operational days, remember when we looked out and after each other; its called camaraderie!  Remember what we stand for and what we did.  Don't waste your life fighting the very people you fought with, for the sake of MATE SHIP. 

Yours sincerely,
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« Reply #115 on: Monday31May2010 »

Is there no end to this PRICK....................what a first class ARSEHOLE........

TATE, your day will come....go  to the next 4 RAR RE-UNION planned for 2011.........and see how many mates you have....

SPARTAKUS IS DEAD RIGHT.........he sums TATE UP very well.........out of BRIGGS, CORSE AND WILTSHIRE, who are the most vile examples of Returned Diggers, TATE IS AT THE TOP OF THE LIST.......
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« Reply #114 on: Monday31May2010 »

What type of sick, depraved, warped brain can concoct the rubbish in the following Tate email ? This sickening blight on the Veteran community, this waste of breathing space and free sucker of much needed oxygen, is at his vilest best again. This fake and wannabe has serious mental problems. He needs expert mental care. He won't accept help because to his warped mind he is sane and the rest of us are mad and bad.

Bob Buick has given us permission to make the following posting.

Tate your day will come, and when it comes you will fall hard and far. And you will do it all by yourself.

Can anybody imagine the men at Anzac Cove copping this bloke. He would never last. And nor will he last among us.

From: Donald Tate
To: Allen Petersen
Cc: warvet_69@yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 3:08 PM
Subject: A MESSAGE FOR BOB BUICK 'MM'
 
G'day Bob
 
My apologies for writing this publicly, but every time I write to you personally- you bounce my emails. So I have no option but to make this letter public.
 
I see you've raised your head again- threatening defamation for my seeking out a mate of yours- Gary McMahon. Go for it mate. I dare you.
 
Nothing would give me more satisfaction that to see you in court where a capable barrister could reveal for what you really are. There are so many questions he could put to you.
 
That said, allow me to make a few comments here and now, since you're peeping over the parapet again, and perhaps there are those who aren't up to speed about matters concerning us....
 
Some history:
 
You first entered my world in 2000 when I sought your assistance in a local matter down here in Shellharbour. Seven local Vietnam veterans and six of our wives had planted more than 230 trees around a local sporting field as a community project designed to raise the image of veterans, locally.
 
We had been denied the right to place a plaque at the ground acknowledging our effort.
 
Not knowing the real Bob Buick, I contacted you and asked if there was any support you could give us in the matter- especially given that General Cosgrove had graciously accepted an invitation to unveil that plaque, and he too, had been rebuffed by the local General Manager.
 
Of course, you declined to intervene. There was nothing in it for you. And that was your right. I have no problem with that.
 
Others did have the guts to do so though, and an internet petition advanced the matter, signed by hundreds of veterans across Australia and the world- and the project was completed in 2007. Without your help.
 
I had thought a man with your reputation might have extended a hand to fellow veterans, but I was wrong. It would have taken some courage, and I soon realised that although they awarded you a 'gallantry' medal in Vietnam , there wasn't a lot of substance to back it up. Lots of questions in many men's minds about THAT medal, I've learned, and the truth about your performance on the day. Not that I was there, myself. Just anecdotal stuff I've picked up along the way.
 
You know what I mean.
 
And I'm sure you won't mind my having a personal opinion about you and your service history- after all, you think you have the right to an opinion about that of others, and aren't backwards in coming forward, maligning them.
 
But I digress.
 
Then came the 2nd D&E Platoon matter.
 
Now, even though this matter occurred in 1968, well after you were safe and sound back in Australia , and knew nothing whatsoever about the matter, you still entered the fray because you considered that you were the greatest military mind in the country. You wrote that you had become a warrant officer and had studied army administration which made you more knowledgeable than most officers- and therefore you were an absolute authority on army administration.
 
Given that, you stated that it was YOUR opinion that the CO of the Task Force could do anything he wanted with the troops at his disposal at any point in time, and if that included creating a whole new platoon of men for a particular exercise at a whim, then that was his right. It didn't matter to you that certain protocols needed to be observed first, including formally notating individual service records with those details, let alone having such a decision rubber-stamped by the Australian Cabinet. (As Bruce Billson declared, in 2007: “There was no authority to create such a platoon.”)
 
You argued black and blue that no "2nd D&E Platoon" had ever existed, that it was a figment of my imagination. You used my relative inexperience in the army as a weapon against me, but when others also began to verify its existence (Lt Barry Parkin; Dennis Manski; Major George Pratt; Allan Roach; Barney Bigwood; Jim Riddle; etc etc) you adopted a different tack.
 
Instead of the issue, you went for the man instead, like a rabid dog.
 
You looked at my service in comparison with yours, and found it wanting- and got a great kick out of tearing me down. It was easy to do- after all, I'd been badly wounded and spent the last half of my military career in a hospital bed before being discharged medically unfit with a permanent disability.
 
You hadn't gone down that path. You are blessed insofar as you never felt the real steel of war, physically, and still had the opportunity to advance in the army. Something I was denied. So, I was an easy target.
 
It didn’t bother you and your gutless, predatory mates that the years I spent in hospital were bad enough; you had to damage me and my family in the worst of ways afterwards, as well.
 
Could you ever be man enough to have any appreciation of just what harm you did to us? And why? Because I had the guts to stand up to the generals and the historians who were corrupting history by allowing false after-action reports into the military histories of the war.
 
Then- you did the same to every other person who rose up against you, including men of great individual merit, and true substance like Weekes and Mansford, McGurgan, Corse, and co. The fact that these men had distinguished themselves militarily, and in civilian life, was irrelevant to you and your fellow sparrows if it meant scoring some mean-spirited point against them. It was as if in tearing down the reputations of such good men, it raised your own self-esteem, somehow.
 
It’s what little men like you, do.
 
I have met those men, and finer men I haven't met. And those fools who blindly believe the trash metered out by the AVM web site about them, should catch a plane to the Sunshine State and West Australia and introduce yourselves to each man personally- then hang your heads in shame for playing any part in defiling their reputations.
 
I can say, that it has always bothered me that such good men were prepared to come out publicly in support of our quest to validate the 2nd D&E Platoon, because they had little to gain from supporting a few ex-Privates in our quest- and a lot to lose. It would have been safer for that type of man to do what most other Army officers (like Cosgrove and Pearson and Rooks and Arrowsmith and Woolan) did, and stay quiet. Don't get involved.
 
After all, who really cares if military history is corrupted? Certainly not some of our former officers within the military. Not if it meant aggravating the reputations of fellow members of the military 'establishment'? I have no doubt that there are those certain, senior ex-officers who turned a blind eye to the systematic command corruptions that Ted Colmer exposed- the fudging of ‘manpower ceilings’ for example, flagrantly violated from time to time, as long as their own reputations and notions of ‘espirit de corps’ remained intact.
 
But give me men with real backbone any day- and those good men named earlier, have that.
 
Buick, you and your cowardly mates publicly vilified and denigrated me, boasting as you did so that you were one of the elite- a Warrant Officer Class One, and me just a baggy arse private. But what you didn’t realise was that your patronizing put down of me (and others) is all the evidence one needs to prove that (whatever you did achieve in the Army) by word and deed you were never an RSM’s bootlace. The saddest discovery is that a few of your Anzmi mates are now known to have also worn the “bucking horses”, and by their association with you and like cowardly conduct, they also disgraced all the greats RSM’s who have gone before them- honest, genuine ANZACs.
 
But back to the 2nd D&E Platoon matter.
 
Sadly, in attacking us personally, you based your opinions on a rose-coloured glasses’ view of the 'perfect army world'- not the reality of what may have occurred at that particular time. In your ignorance, you glossed over that maladministration, preferring to call it officer prerogative. In your view, it was perfectly fine for ordinary private soldiers to be used as expendable fodder, available for use in any way the Task Force CO wanted, if it met some strategic objective in his opinion- or the gathering of yet another decoration for himself, and a favourite Corps.
 
You boldly declared that your "support" for the personal attacks against us "was at the highest levels of the government, and the military."
 
In return, we asked you then, to name those members of the military who had been "supporting" you.
 
You didn't answer. You went mute.
 
Then, we asked you name those members of the government who were "supporting" you.
 
Again, you refused to answer. You suddenly lost your tongue altogether.
 
You went deadly quiet, as if those of the 'establishment' had suddenly told you to pull your stupid head in- that you had given the game away, and revealed yourself to be nothing more than a Pinocchio, dancing on the strings of those generals. Was this a return favour in return for that 'gallantry' medal they awarded you in such dubious circumstances?
 
After all, weren't you the experienced platoon sergeant who allowed a platoon of men to chase after a posse of bad guys- straight into an ambush? How competent were you, again? And weren't your men short of the correct amount of ammunition each man was supposed to carry?
 
I don't know the answers to those questions. But I could go on. Lots of questions, as I said.
 
And when the Army History Unit (under Col Bill Houston) reviewed and tested all the evidence relating to the 2nd D&E Platoon we had gathered, and found it substantive, allowing the Hon Mike Kelly MP to formally recognise the 2nd D&E Platoon, you sulked. Sulked, for being proved a fool and a boastful one at that. And took your bat and ball and went home. Or rather, skulked back into the shadows of the AVM and ANZMI web sites where you do your dirtiest work, unseen like the weak man you really are.
 
Then, I learned that you'd boasted of killing unarmed, wounded men the day after Long Tan, and was most interested to read a letter from Fergus (that name sounds familiar!) Thomson- a barrister in the Capital. He wrote it to The Australian in August 2000. He reckons that as a legal officer in Vietnam as the same time as you were, that if he had known then about those killings you boasted of, he would've prosecuted you for murder. No gallantry medal for you, mate, if he'd had his way.
 
(That reminds me, incidentally, I must write to Mr Thomson and ask what action he has taken in that regard as an officer of the Court. Has he forwarded his concerns to the proper authorities as he is obliged to do?)
 
But I digress, again.
 
So, any respect I ever had for you went out the window Buick. And many other veterans I've met around Australia feel the same way about you. So many men around the country now are very well aware of your 'relationship' with a known paedophile, that they are disgusted by it. (You do know who I'm talking about, don't you Bob? You both share an interest in web sites designed to attack fellow veterans from anonymity- the coward's way. You fit right in there, don't you, Bob? Birds of a feather. It's the same bloke who raped a fellow soldier's son, then had the temerity to ask General Cosgrove to allow "mitigating circumstances'" into his service file to explain that behaviour. Hmmmm???)
 
And you have other strange bedfellows, too, it seems: there's the cat-killer; the fraudster who ripped off his army mates to the tune of $40,000 and more lately, ripped off his fellow veterans to the tune of $100,000 or so; the two ASIO 'spies'- including that piece of work, 'Bomber' Bob Gibson; the infantrymen no battalion wanted- 'Bud' Cramer, Gibson, and Gary McMahon on his second tour; Alan Price, the pompous buffoon from the 4th Battalion who likes to threaten from afar, then becomes invisible when the opportunity to confront, arises; and so on. The dregs of the veteran community.
 
And then, it comes down to our books.
 
Mine, "The War Within", was a self-deprecating account of an entire life in which I outlined my personal failings, and outsold yours many times over. I also wrote it myself. Yours- ("All Glory and No Guts" wasn't it?) went nowhere- and given the quality of your email responses over the years, I suggest you couldn't have even written it. There were too many big words in it.
 
A final word.
 
I deliberately accepted speaking engagements in your very backyard (Caloundra; Gympie: Bribie Island ) so that you would have the opportunity to meet with me personally, man to man, instead of hiding behind computers. I advertised my engagements widely, so that blokes like you couldn’t miss the opportunity.
 
But you never showed at any of them. And in not doing so, you proved to me that you’re really just a squib, at heart.
 
So Buick, a simple message. Go see your solicitor by all means.
 
But it will mean giving up fronting up at the RSL every Monday morning on the Sunshine Coast and re-telling them of your heroics at Long Tan. They ARE sick of it, by the way.
 
They've told me so. 

Don Tate
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« Reply #113 on: Monday24May2010 »

In reply to Ruger 357

As far as Tate “duping" Kelly into making a statement, there is no doubt that Kelly's statement was influenced by Neil Weeke’s intervention into the matter.

Neil Weeks proudly had his photo taken with Tate giving a visual image of his support for Tate’s folly.

See the Photo attached of Weekes standing up with the original Phantom Platoon lobbyists, some who have since seen the light and abandoned Tate.

Aye

Fergus


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« Reply #112 on: Monday24May2010 »

FXXX, he still trying to flog his book almost two years after its release........I did see it on the REDUCED stand in Kmart some time ago  at $9.95.....and its a best SMELLER !!!!

I just hope one day and soon, someone will flog the FXXX out of him, or issue a writ on the prick and take all his assets.

I have met some obnoxious veterans in my time, and TATE is the only one who grates me.......again like all these Galahs and followers, he states things without an ounce of proof and he still cant produce any proof himself when challenged on matters.  His forgotten Second D & E Platoon is to all of us, just a figment of his imagination.....and cunningly duped Kelly into making a statement.........Kelly has been silent since the errors were thrown in his face by the AWM.

And can anyone establish if he was really a teacher...don't you need formal qualifications to teach...or was he just an 'aide'

TATE..........DICKHEAD AND TURD
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« Reply #111 on: Monday24May2010 »

 Wonder if the DVA knows he keeps $5 bucks of the $10 he charges to listen to his lies they already have taken some maybe they need to take a little more as he is feed by tax payers of Australia.
 
Dont know how he shot himself as he had NO BOLT in his rifle.
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« Reply #110 on: Sunday23May2010 »

The hole that Tate has dug for himself is so deep that no decent veteran will have anything to do with him.

Just when you think that he has finally shut up about his heroic deeds and astounding body count, the fool takes up the shovel and starts digging himself in even deeper.

Keep digging, Tate. The sides might cave in eventually and give us all some peace and quiet.
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« Reply #109 on: Sunday23May2010 »

For a 'soldier' who had a whole seven months in Vietnam, Tatie sure has a lot to say.  As a private in Infantry, I'm sure he had to make plenty of momentous decisions which affected his fellow soldiers (lol).  Tatie boy, please keep this going so my mates & I have something to talk about over a cuppa.  Ta awfully.   
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« Reply #108 on: Sunday23May2010 »

Believe he tried to shoot himself in the FOOT but missed and shot himself in the Hip.

Seems he didnt know what end of the gun to use.
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« Reply #107 on: Sunday23May2010 »

I have taken the Libberty of forwarding this abusive and degrading letter from Donnie Boy Tatter to this web sight ( complaints can be forwarded to:-  abuse@piradius.net)  for their information and investigation. It is nice to see some one is finaly taking up the mantle, to investigate these abusers of ex-service personnel, be they retired or pensioned off.
Ken.T.

Dear Sir / Madam,

I have been getting this type of garbage (email under this note) from this mentally deranged idiot for the past 2 years. He insists on using foul and derogatory langrage in his emails which I do not or my family appreciate. Can you please put a stop to him and his bunch of lunatics and idiots who are forever condemning the good names of other Vietnam Veterans as well as our current serving members.
Thank you,
Your Sincerly,
Ken.T.

From: Allen Petersen
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 5:17 PM
Subject: A Question (or two) for Gary McMahon..ex-6RAR

From: Donald Tate
To: Allen Petersen ;
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 1:24 PM
Subject: A Question (or two) for Gary McMahon..ex-6RAR
 
To Gary McMahon...ex-6RAR....
 
First, Gary- a simple question: Are you one of the gutless maggots who hides within the AVM web site?
 
Forgive me for asking, but I've got reason to do so- you're name has cropped up in various communications and conversations I've had with fellow veterans as I've travelled around Australia . Apparently. you're a mate of that other coward- Bob Buick who had a lot to say about me and the 2nd D&E Platoon matter until the generals told him to shut his stupid mouth. Birds of a feather, you and Buick, from all reports,

 (The middle has been cut for the sake of sanity amongst the readers.)

I mean, you ARE a member of the 'proud' 6th Battalion, aren't you- that glorious, decorated battalion. Seems like it spawned medal-winners AND sacks of shit.
 
When you've answered (if you do) then I'll let you know what the blokes who served with you really thought about you. They've been keen to talk about your days in Vietnam, just as they do about that other waste of space- the protected 'hero', Buick. I don't even have to ask, these days. Men from the 6th just WANT to tell me about Buick and his so-called 'heroism'.
 
Don Tate
 
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« Reply #106 on: Saturday22May2010 »

What an absolute PRICK this TURD TATE really is !!!

Again he writes words, without any knowledge of the men who defames (again and again)......

One thing is sure...he would not stand face to face with any of these men and call them COWARDS, FAGGOTS, PEDS ETC.....he would be on his arse as quick as he wet his lips for the next word

you gutless TURD TATE  ..............

YOU ARE THE EPITOME OF MORAL BANKRUPTCY........








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« Reply #105 on: Saturday22May2010 »

Paranoia has gripped Don Tate, who seems to have taken time off from his library barnstorming to pen a few poison words.

Don has targeted Gary McMahon, Bob Buick, 6RAR, AVM, persons from Rockhampton, Petrie, St Marys, The Gold Coast and the ACT . See his words below about 6RAR;

“I mean, you ARE a member of the 'proud' 6th Battalion, aren't you- that glorious, decorated battalion. Seems like it spawned medal-winners AND sacks of shit.”

Don continues insane accusations against honourable veterans and includes “the faggot from the ACT who's got a lot to hide (including a double life we're keen to reveal)”    Who the hell is this “faggot” from the ACT with a lot to hide and a double life? Of course the “we’re” Don has quoted are his Mad Galah, ANZAC Alliance Party mates.  Give us the ACT name Don, don’t be shy tell us about the “faggot from the ACT” and his double life.

Tate is a vile cowardly conspiracy theorist who is shunned by decent veterans.

Aye

Fergus

 
From: Allen Petersen
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 5:17 PM
Subject: A Question (or two) for Gary McMahon..ex-6RAR

From: Donald Tate
To: Allen Petersen ;
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 1:24 PM
Subject: A Question (or two) for Gary McMahon..ex-6RAR
 
To Gary McMahon...ex-6RAR....
 
First, Gary- a simple question: Are you one of the gutless maggots who hides within the AVM web site?
 
Forgive me for asking, but I've got reason to do so- you're name has cropped up in various communications and conversations I've had with fellow veterans as I've travelled around Australia . Apparently. you're a mate of that other coward- Bob Buick who had a lot to say about me and the 2nd D&E Platoon matter until the generals told him to shut his stupid mouth. Birds of a feather, you and Buick, from all reports. And VERY good mates, from what I hear. Very close. You share similar tastes and interests. As you do with the cat-killer from Petrie, the paedophile from Rockhampton, the fraudster from St Mary's, the faggot from the ACT who's got a lot to hide (including a double life we're keen to reveal) and that ex-ASIO "spy", the Gold Coast's 'Bomber' Gibson- a hero to Chicago vets who know no better, but one of the few Australian infantrymen no battalion wanted in its ranks.
 
You sure do keep good company. I've been told you live in the Alice Springs area these days- wearing dark glasses and a high collar.
 
So how about it Gary ....give me a yes or no to the simple questions.... Are you the gutless, cringing maggot who attacks fellow veterans (anonymously of course, like all cowards do) under the AVM banner? Why haven't you had the guts to put your name to your diatribes?
 
Or does that tell us all we need to know about you?
 
I mean, you ARE a member of the 'proud' 6th Battalion, aren't you- that glorious, decorated battalion. Seems like it spawned medal-winners AND sacks of shit.
 
When you've answered (if you do) then I'll let you know what the blokes who served with you really thought about you. They've been keen to talk about your days in Vietnam, just as they do about that other waste of space- the protected 'hero', Buick. I don't even have to ask, these days. Men from the 6th just WANT to tell me about Buick and his so-called 'heroism'.
 
Don Tate
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« Reply #104 on: Saturday22May2010 »

Hoooo, my goodness!! Shocked
Someone has woken Donnie Boy The Tatter up again. Here he is comparing someone with himself, and not making much sense of it really. Poor Old Man Donnie Boy must have halved his medication during the past few weeks. Wink
Any way it looks like the Idiot of The Gong is going to do himself proud again and express his opinions on everything.  Kiss
Still at it Old Donnie Boy! Wink Just can’t come to terms with the fact that Mr Bob Buick was awarded a medal for his bravery at that decisive battle of Long Tan.  Grin
Well all I will say for now is that at  least Mr Bob Buick stayed to the end, and didn’t lay down on the job, not like some drongos I could mention, hay Donnie??
Gotta go, Bingo starts in a few minutes and I want to get a good seat. Grin
Ken.T.

From: Allen Petersen [mailto:petersaj@bigpond.net.au]
Sent: Saturday, 22 May 2010 5:18 PM
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Subject: A Question (or two) for Gary McMahon..ex-6RAR

From: Donald Tate
To: Allen Petersen ;
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 1:24 PM
Subject: A Question (or two) for Gary McMahon..ex-6RAR
 
To Gary McMahon...ex-6RAR....
 
First, Gary- a simple question: Are you one of the gutless maggots who hides within the AVM web site?
 
Forgive me for asking, but I've got reason to do so- you're name has cropped up in various communications and conversations I've had with fellow veterans as I've travelled around Australia . Apparently. you're a mate of that other coward- who had a lot to say about me and the 2nd D&E Platoon matter until the generals told him to shut his stupid mouth. Birds of a feather, you and Buick, from all reports. And VERY good mates, from what I hear. Very close. You share similar tastes and interests. As you do with the cat-killer from Petrie, the paedophile from Rockhampton, the fraudster from St Mary's, the faggot from the ACT who's got a lot to hide (including a double life we're keen to reveal) and that ex-ASIO "spy", the Gold Coast's 'Bomber' Gibson- a hero to Chicago vets who know no better, but one of the few Australian infantrymen no battalion wanted in its ranks.
 
You sure do keep good company. I've been told you live in the Alice Springs area these days- wearing dark glasses and a high collar.
 
So how about it Gary ....give me a yes or no to the simple questions.... Are you the gutless, cringing maggot who attacks fellow veterans (anonymously of course, like all cowards do) under the AVM banner? Why haven't you had the guts to put your name to your diatribes?
 
Or does that tell us all we need to know about you?
 
I mean, you ARE a member of the 'proud' 6th Battalion, aren't you- that glorious, decorated battalion. Seems like it spawned medal-winners AND sacks of shit.
 
When you've answered (if you do) then I'll let you know what the blokes who served with you really thought about you. They've been keen to talk about your days in Vietnam, just as they do about that other waste of space- the protected 'hero', Buick. I don't even have to ask, these days. Men from the 6th just WANT to tell me about Buick and his so-called 'heroism'.
 
Don Tate
 
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« Reply #103 on: Thursday20May2010 »

How I won the war by Don Tate - fancy having to pay to listen to his drivel.  With any luck he will be asked some questions that will show him up as being the idiot he is.  Can't wait for the next 'exciting' episode. 
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« Reply #102 on: Thursday20May2010 »

Tate lives it up on the North Shore

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From: Catherine_Buddin@pittwater.nsw.gov.au
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Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 10:49 AM
Subject: re - next Author Talk - Vietnam War Vet, Don Tate at Coastal Environment Centre - A REMINDER

FYI,

The following talk is -

Don Tate - "The War Within"  on Tuesday 25 May at  6PM at  the Coastal Environment Centre at North Narrabeen. Cost $10, concession $8. Tea & coffee will be available.
AND... talk is FREE for any school student.
Bookings essential tel. 9970 1600

Please note the change in venue and cost. The author is showing film footage which he took in Vietnam of the 4th and 9th Batallions.

Don Tate, a Vietnam War Veteran has written a memoir of his life, growing up in Queensland, his time in Vietnam, returning home and struggling to return to civilian life. becoming a teacher and being medically retired in 1993.


One of the chapters in the book deals with a particularly sensitive military matter- the deletion from the records of a particular platoon. It has been a highly contentious issue for many years, but finally resolved in May 2008, when the Hon Mike Kelly MP formally recognised the platoon in the histories of the war. (Check ALP web site...Mike Kelly /May 29th 2008)

regards
Catherine Buddin

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« Reply #101 on: Monday12April2010 »

Not worth a comment.  I know he was not at Thua Tich and that is enough for me. Idiot
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« Reply #100 on: Monday12April2010 »


Tate’s latest email gives considerable insight into his values and his psychopathic obsessions.

During times of conflict soldiers form bonds that are unbreakable. Tate is a person of such low principles that even the bonds of war time mateship have been broken.  Ted Colmer was the first to wake up to Tate’s distasteful dishonesty and it seems that Barney Bigwood has also wiped Tate from his “mates” list.  In his recent email (shown below) Tate insinuates that Bigwood will be shown as a coward if he does not agree with Tate.

Tate should also be aware that Fergus did not recently comment on the fact that photograph captions used in his book had been changed so that it appears that Tate was at Thua Tich.

Our late erudite, and much missed analyst “Mowgli” proved beyond doubt that Tate’s captions were false and Tate was not at Thua Tich.

From the words in Tate’s email, it is not difficult to conclude that Tate’s whole agenda of disgraceful conspiracy and dishonesty allegations against the Defence Force the Australian War Memorial and many individuals have all related to stirring up publicity for his flawed book.

It is well known that any publicity is good publicity and if the truth we print about Tate, perversely increases his book sales that is a consequence we are prepared to accept.  Already Tate is known as a Pariah in the Veteran community. Selling his book may enrich him, but what use is money if a person loses his mates  his integrity and his reputation.   

Aye

Fergus


From: Allen Petersen
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Cc: Steve Gower ; Fergus Fairfax*
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 2:08 AM
Subject: Tate...and allegations of tampering with photographs....

From: Donald Tate
To: Allen Petersen
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 10:49 AM
Subject: Tate...and allegations of tampering with photographs....

I have received word that the faggot, "Fergus Fairfax" is playing with himself again and saying something about my changing captions on photographs at the AWM.
 
I'm heartily sick of shit like this from maggots.
 
I defy that faggot (and any other maggot) to put his real name to any such statement- and I reiterate that Barney Bigwood was solely responsible for captioning photographs (he's cc'd to this email, and might even have the balls to validate that.)
 
Oh...and the tour is going great....sales of "The War Within" are ballistic! 

Thank you to those gutless, BOY-BOTHERING maggots at the AVM...your assistance in promoting the book is terrific.

 
Don Tate
author of the best-seller, "The War Within" (Murdoch Books)
and author of the up-coming, "The War Without"
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« Reply #99 on: Friday09April2010 »

Regarding manipulation and embellishment of history: As I was going through some of my older books today, I came across, yes, The War Within. I'd almost forgotten it was still occupying space on my limited shelving. Most of my old books go to the Salvos and the junk ones go directly to the bin. That's where The War Within almost went today, but at the last moment I decided to reserve it for ritual demolition. Might even ask a few mates over to witness the event. Perhaps I should invite the press. Around 25 April would be an ideal time!  Angry
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« Reply #98 on: Friday09April2010 »

Nothing suprises me with Judas Tate - must be building up for a special staged event on the 25 April.  This idiot will do whatever just to get himself in the press.
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Subject: Re: NEVER TO BE RELEASED ...WHY ?


Allen Petersen wrote:
From: Donald Tate
To: Allen Petersen ;
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 7:28 AM
Subject: "official" military history..and deliberate distortions


"Official" Military History:

Simon Forrester of the Australian War Memorial makes some interesting comments about the reality of Australia's "official" military history, and the truth, in an article titled "Impressions: Australians in Vietnam".

What I found most interesting in this article was how photography is interpreted. I especially note that one of the photographs from that exhibition this article accompanies is marked "June 1969"- yet was actually taken on May 30th 1969 by Army photographer, Bellis. It shows a close-up of one of the dead VC from the ambush.

AMAZING - THE MASTER MANIPULATOR HIMSELF HAS NOT ONLY ALTERED AND CHANGED PHOTOGRAPH CAPTIONS - AND PHOTOS - TO SUIT HIS OWN WARPED AND DISTORTED VIEWS BUT HE HAS THE GAUL TO INFER THAT THE AWM DOES THE SAME. NOT SURPRISING REALLY AS HAS BEEN RELATED IN PREVIOUS FORUMS WHICH NOTED THE INCORRECT CAPTIONING OF AWM PHOTOS WHICH WERE ALTERED TO SHOW THAT DUNNY BOY WAS PRESENT AT THUA TICH. ALAS DUNNY WAS NOWHERE NEAR THE SCENE. AS DUNNY WASN'T THERE HE DOES NOT KNOW THE DATE THE PHOTO WAS TAKEN. TAKE A CLOSER LOOK TATE BOY AT THIS PHOTO - YOU WILL SEE THAT YOUR NAME HAS BEEN REMOVED DESPITE ALL YOUR EFFORTS TO PLANT YOURSELF IN IT (AND OTHERS).


I would contend that captioning this particular photograph has nothing to do with "official" history, but more to do with validating a certain gallantry medal.

DUNNY IS STILL DEEPLY JEALOUS AND CONTINUALLY FUMES THAT HE WAS NOT AWARDED ANY SORT OF GALLANTRY MEDAL - DON'T WORRY BOYO, PERHAPS YOU CAN INFLUENCE KELLY TO GRANT YOU A BELATED AND TOTALLY UNEARNED MEDAL - PERHAPS LOST BOLT AWARD. WHAT GALLANTRY AWARD, BOY?


And every veteran should note that Forrester staes categorically that some of the photographs taken by Sgt Bellis on May 30th 1969, are marked "NEVER TO BE RELEASED".

Now......I wonder why that is...............?

"And every veteran should know..." DESPITE THE TRUTH BEING GLARINGLY OBVIOUS TAIT MANAGES TO TWIST FACTS YET AGAIN BUT THEN HE IS USED TO SUCH MACHINATIONS - PHOTOS WERE CAPTIONED 'NOT FOR RELEASE' NOT AS THIS IDIOT  CLAIMED ABOVE "NEVER TO BE RELEASED" - SEE BELOW.


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"The enemy are always depicted as defeated. They are shown hands tied, blindfolded, awaiting interrogation. Although now unarmed and looking meek, they are always closely guarded, suggesting they are dangerous and treacherous. Although enemy dead are photographed on many occasions graphic images were never made public at the time of the war. Army Public Relations photographer Sergeant Chris Bellis' image taken on the morning after a night ambush against Viet Cong at Thua Tich in June 1969 is an example. [3] The contorted body of a Viet Cong wearing a light shirt and shorts, his head haloed by barbed wire, dominates the entire foreground. In the middle distance, with a second Vietnamese body, are seven Australian soldiers milling about. In the original albums presented to the Australian War Memorial by Defence Public Relations 'NOT FOR RELEASE' is written heavily over the small print of this negative. There are many similar examples to be found throughout the albums.
 




The amateur photography of service personnel generally follows the same themes and subjects as the Public Relations photographs. Many have a similar bonhomie. These photographs were taken as records of the experiences undergone, events encountered and friendships made during the war. While most of these photographs fall into the rather detached reportage of tourist snap shots some show the personality and attitudes of their authors. Images of the enemy, in particular, fall into the latter group.
 

RINGS A BELL HUH! DUNNY'S WORTHLESS MOVIE IS NOTHING OTHER THAN A "REPORTAGE OF TOURIST SNAPS"

Many service personnel photographed the bodies of dead Viet Cong or North Vietnamese troops. In these images one gets a sense of morbid interest in violent death, perhaps because the photographers faced the same potential fate themselves, perhaps because of macabre voyeurism. Other images such as photographs of Viet Cong suspects awaiting interrogation reveal a sense of superiority over or scorn for a defeated foe.
 

TATE IS AN EXPERT AT THIS DISPLAYING BODIES AND ALTERATION OF CAPTIONS.

The Vietnam War has been variously described as 'the most photographed war' and 'the television war'. It was certainly covered exhaustively by professional photojournalists, including Americans Robert Cappa and Larry Burrows, Welshman Philip Jones Griffiths and Englishmen Tim Page and Don McCullin, all of whose reputations rested on their reportage of war from around the world. Neil Davis is perhaps the best known Australian photojournalist to go to Vietnam, yet he, like most others, worked with US and South Vietnamese troops. Given the Australian media's general refusal to post correspondents to Vietnam long-term and their propensity to use images from international wire agencies, most reportage of the Vietnam War in Australia tended to have a bias toward depicting US operations; Australian actions became just a small part of the bigger picture.
 



'The camera doesn't lie' is believed by many people to be an aphorism; it is not. The public perception of photography is that it is a factual record, a moment of unquestionable reality suspended in time. But photographs are open to manipulation like any other image and this is true of those taken in Vietnam for consumption in Australia.
 

AGAIN - DUNNY'S EXPERIENCE AT ATTEMPTING TO MANIPULATE PHOTOGRAPHS IS WELL KNOWN. ORIGINAL PHOTOGRAPHS DON'T LIE TATE - ONLY THOSE WHO MANIPULATE THEM TO THEIR OWN ENDS LIE, IE,  THE TRANSPARENT  ATTEMPT TO PORTRAY YOU AT  THUA TICH. REMEMBER THE HEADLESS BODIES  SAGA DUNNY? CAUGHT OUT AGAIN!

The subjects of the Department of Defence Public Relations photographs have been carefully chosen, posed and edited. They have been further manipulated through association with the pre-written captions. They use a background of myth and symbol familiar to Australians including mateship, courage, a belief in the rightness of the country's cause, implied references to the original ANZACs, as well as tourism and travel advertising, to promote political and military ideologies within a broader social context."



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A few questions arise:


Has the Australian War Memorial been a participant in the deliberate distortions of military history so as to present only the 'best face' of that history?
 

TATE JUST BECAUSE YOU YOURSELF  FRAUDULENTLY  ALTERED CAPTIONS IS NO REASON TO SUGGEST OR EVEN INFER THAT THE AWM OR ANYBODY ELSE ENGAGES IN SUCH DESPICABLE BEHAVIOR. TATE OF COURSE ASSERTED ANOTHER "FACE"  IN HIS REPULSIVE BOOK WHICH WAS NOTHING OTHER THAN FIGMENTS OF HIS OWN IMAGINATION, EG, THE 2ND D&E PL FICTION, ENGINEER BURIALS, ETC, ETC. WHO IS DISTORTING WHAT DUNNY? THE AWM RIGHTLY REFUSED TO RECOGNISE THIS PHANTON UNIT.


What vested interests do the power brokers within the Australian War Memorial have in projecting a distorted view of that military history?
 

NONE, DUNNY, SO GET A LIFE AND ACCEPT THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE BEEN CAUGHT OUT AND EXPOSED TO THE WORLD. ONLY YOUR FURTIVE WARPED MIND SPEWS OUT A COMPLETELY DISTORTED VIEW OF EVENTS IN SOUTH VIETNAM. THE ONLY VESTED INTEREST IS YOUR OWN TO GAIN A FEW MORE SALES OF YOUR RUBBISH. BY THE WAY TATE YOUR BOOK HAS BEEN HEAVILY DISCOUNTED - NOBODY IS INTERESTED.



And thirdly, does this explain why certain power brokers within that organisation use intermediaries (including a known and convicted paedophile) to disseminate false information about critics of Australia's military leaders?
 

WHEW! THIS IDIOT IS BEYOND THE PALE & THIS FROM A FOOL WHO EXPOSED HIMSELF TO SCHOOL CHILDREN. THE VITRIOL  DIRECTED BY DUNNY AGAINST SENIOR MILITARY OFFICERS AND THE ARMY HAS NO EQUAL AND DESERVES ALL THE WELL-FOUNDED CRITICISM DIRECTED AGAINST HIM. COME ON TATE  NAME THE ALLEGED PEDOPHILE IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH GUTS. YOU ARE FASCINATED BY THIS WORD; IS IT BECAUSE YOU MAY BE A CLOSET PEDOPHILE?




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« Reply #96 on: Tuesday16March2010 »

Don Tate,
 
"The apparent malice of the 4 RAR President, Alan Price"
 
To set you straight Tate again, I am not and do not profess to be, the 4 RAR president. I have informed you time and time again that I am the President of the 4 RAR Association, Qld. You are a member of the 4 RAR/ 4 RAR (Cdo) Association of NSW. You are therefore not one of my members. I am not responsible to you or for you except in matters involving the separate 4 RAR Associations at a national level where all 4 RAR state executives are involved at the request and behest of all 4 RAR Associations and their members. I am not going  to explain this to you again. I have wasted previous time on this subject with you!
 
At the moment there are only five awards notified on the web site of those former 4 RAR members who have been acknowledged, more are to be added. To my mind there are approximately 20.
 
To reply to your obvious malice.
 
Question 1. Reply.
 
 You would remember or if you like, I will publish the correspondence, that you advised me that you had been awarded the Australian Sports Medal and demanded in no uncertain vulgar and abusive terms that you be placed on the web site. Despite your abuse and the unacceptable tone of your submission, the award was then placed onto the 4 RAR Associations of Australia web site. This can be proven by the hard drives of the computers involved and from saved files. I then queried your statement that you were one of the first to receive it, when the citation clearly indicated that in fact, you were one of the last to receive it. You then attempted to amend your initial statement. I also congratulated you on the award, did I not? I then received a torrent of abuse from you and indicated that unless I received a more polite request from you that your notice of the award would be removed. I then received a further vulgar and threatening torrent of abuse from you and the mention of your award was removed.
 
You were given the opportunity to have your award placed on the web site, it was.! It was then removed because of your abusive correspondence. In fact, the removal of the award from the web site was of your doing and yours alone! I also notice that you are illegally using the post nominal of A.S.M after your signature on correspondence. May I point out that the Australian Sports Medal has no right to a post nominal and that that would have been notified to you on receipt of the award. May I also point out that your correspondence below is also laden with abuse and defamatory remarks.
 
"Many previous occasions"? You lie in support of your own self interest.
 
Tate, your malicious and uninformed comments and accusations below in relation to this particular question clearly indicate your own personality. Your award was removed from the web site because of your own actions and you now  attempt to denigrate me because I will not accede to your demands which are always accompanied by abuse. Your comments are malicious, defamatory and do you no good. Until I receive an application by you in civil terms and an apology from you in civil terms addressing your statements below, nothing will cause me to place your award onto the web site other than by a decision of a court of law.
 
You even address this correspondence to our major sponsor, one who supports all state 4 RAR Associations and every individual member throughout Australia and overseas including yourself. You have done nothing, absolutely nothing to support your own association and its members yet you attempt to denigrate and defame me for attempting to. That sponsorship support is now in jeopardy. How low can you sink in your paranoid endeavours?
 
This must be recognised as a malicious and ill thought out campaign to solicit others into your web of deceit and self service. You are not attempting to damage me Tate, but the whole structure and organisation of the
4 RAR Associations and every member of them including your addressees above! You must feel proud of yourself.
 
The short answer to your question is that your name will not appear on the awards page and will not be considered unless the above conditions are met.
 
You accuse me in a separate correspondence addressed to many both within and outside of the 4 RAR Associations, that I use the "net" to spread accusations against you. I empathically deny this but draw your attention to the address group at the top of your email. Are you not using a "net" in an attempt to discredit and defame me?
 
Question 2. Reply
 
Your name in the alphabetical roll in a different colour was because it was added at a later date when it was found to be unintentionally omitted from the original roll in the transfer of names. I found that discrepancy and had your name added as I would with anyone else. Your name appears, as it should ............ be happy! The colours just do not agree because a different system was employed each time. It will be rectified when I receive a request from you in more civil terms. Until then, I am not prepared to spend the time in amending it because of your malicious and defamatory demand. 
 
Question 3. Reply
 
Tate, I was a medical casualty. Your statement of eligibility  however, is incorrect but does indicate that your implied knowledge is impaired. You have informed me that you have charged me with an offence with the Australian Federal Police. As the matter is now before law, I will answer that question in court. You may be surprised!
 
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Tate, you state in support of your argument that you spent 100 days with  D Company, 4 RAR in Vietnam. I spent over 1,400 days (4 years) with D Company, 4 RAR which included Malaysia, Borneo and Vietnam but what is your point? I did not realise that time spent was a competition.

Addendum: I now find that Tate is not a member of the 4 RAR Association NSW as he elected to resign in 2009. Tate is not a member of any 4 RAR Association.
 
 
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I note, with interest, the following quote on the Association's web site:

To ensure that all members and ex-members of 4 RAR, 4 RAR/NZ, 2/4 RAR, 4 RAR (Cdo) who have distinguished themselves in civilian life are recognized WE SEEK YOUR ASSISTANCE.  If you know of any 4 RAR member [inclusive of
 4 RAR/NZ, 2/4 RAR, 4 RAR (Cdo)] that is deserving of mention on these pages  PLEASE  advise the President, 4 RAR Association, Qld on [07] 3273 7973, or email apriced4@

I also note that to date, there are only five members, or ex-members of 4RAR who have "distinguished themselves in civilian life", according to that honour board- Meehan; Morris; Rayner; Rivers; and Thomson.

As a former member of the 4th Battalion (1969.......about 100 days or so in "D" Company) I hereby advise you (again) that in civilian life, I have been awarded the Australian Sports Medal- (part of the Australian Honours List) for services to sport over thirty years, in coaching, playing, and administration of cricket, softball, Rugby League, and Australian Rules.

Accordingly, I have every right to have my name placed on that list of accomplished civilians on that web site. You have been so advised on many occasions previous.


Obviously no one thinks you're deserving of a mention on that page. You have no right to be there unless it's recommended by others. You can't recommend yourself. Remember, self recommendation is no praise.

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I have been awarded the Australian Sports Medal- (part of the Australian Honours List) for services to sport over thirty years, in coaching, playing, and administration of cricket, softball, Rugby League, and Australian Rules.

Crap, you got it for involvement in cricket, not the other sports you've added to boost your ever growing ego.
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« Reply #94 on: Tuesday16March2010 »

Mr Tate,

I’m a war veteran and I have decided to write a book about my experience when I was on operations some years ago.  I was only 22 at the time and we flew over to the operational area in a C130 Hercules.  When we arrived my platoon (2 Platoon) was split up and my group was known as 2A Platoon.  That was ok, what’s in a name?

We did the normal things, search and destroy, ambush, a bit of recon etc.  We were fighting against this nation’s Government Army plus a hidden militia group that operated in small groups using hit and run tactics.  Pretty unnerving stuff, never knew where they were or where they would come from.  We didn’t take prisoners, we just shot them on the spot.

After a month, our SAS arrived to do their bit.  Our Platoon Commander said we didn’t need them because we could do a better job than they could.  For some reason they stayed.

I remember one day we came under very heavy fire, small arms, mortars, RPGs, we were really copping it, and half the Platoon got up and ran away the bloody cowards.  When we eventually caught up with them, we gave them a hell of a hiding.

Another time we were out on patrol and stupid me stood right on top of an anti-personnel mine.  Blew my foot completely off.  The boys organised a dust off and I was back at the base hospital in no time.  Obviously I lost my foot but at least I got a ticket home.
The next thing you know I’m on a British Airways 747 heading for Sydney.  The dirty bastards put me in economy full well knowing I was deficient one foot.

To top it all off, I applied for a disability pension through DVA and was knocked back because there was no such unit as 2A Platoon.   I’m fighting this one at the moment but I think I have a long way to go trying to convince someone the Platoon existed.

So what do you think?  Does my story have the right content to produce a best seller?

NB:  This story is fiction. It never happened and it is not intended to describe any person, persons, unit or sub-unit.  If it describes any action that any person or persons have been involved in then it is purely coincidental.
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« Reply #93 on: Monday15March2010 »

I am glad the Mastubator TATE did not serve with my Bn, either here or in SVN.  He would not meet acceptable standards of being a member and his past comments, ridicule and shameful accusations, as others here have commented on correctly I may add, condemn him to a life of solitude with his book (best seller my arse !!!!!!), his staged video productions,  and on the job expose on film in Vietnam, make him the fool and dickhead he is.....let him reflect on his own dreamtime.....

and we all know Tate and his wanking mates read these posts,

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« Reply #92 on: Monday15March2010 »

Another thing. How is it that "Princess", or is that "Angel", Carol can't see through all of the shit that he continues to bombard the world with? Has she been brainwashed, or is that Tatenised, to such an extent that she thinks black is white? Huh Huh Huh
How could anyone in their right mind live with such a scumbag and bullshit artist?

I await comment from the peterson zoo.
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« Reply #91 on: Monday15March2010 »

Donnie Boy,
Lets get a few things straight before you go off half cocked again.

1) You do not embarrass any one except your self and those close to you.
2) You do not direct others to follow your demands. (You were a private, Bottom Rung, Lad. No    rank and no Telling others what to do, a rather poor example of a soldier.
3) 4R.A.R has an untarnished reputation. What makes you think they want you to be part of it?
4) There are limits to what others will except when you tell "Porky's" You have exceeded those limits several times over. You just couldn't stop could you.
5) Clean up your act. You are becoming boring and a total pain in the arse.
6)  Please explain what rights you have to demand inclusion into the List of "Successful Civilians." from 4 R.A.R.

You have lied, defamed and ridiculed others, their service and their achievements. Now you dare   to demand that those same Retired Service Men and Woman should give you some form of kudos before A.N.Z.A.C. Day. Are You Nuts??? or just plain DUMB???  You have accused those same people of some of the most horrific and degrading acts that any one could ever perpetrated onto another human being. You have called them criminals and such, but when it suits you you demand to be excepted by those same people as an example of your own ultra ego as some thing above and beyond reality.
Donnie Boy Come out of the closet and admit it. You are a raving Bum BANDIT and you need help!
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« Reply #90 on: Monday15March2010 »

If Donny Boy Tate wants to know why 4 RAR ignore him, they are only doing what all other Vets do with the exemption of Corse, Whiltshire and the other 3 members of the Mad Galah minuscule minority -

Treat him with the utter contempt he deserves.

Perhaps the Tater could take out a full page advertisement in the SMH and let the world know how wonderful he is.

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« Reply #89 on: Monday15March2010 »

Don Don Don tis good, that you admire yourself so much, as very few Veterans feel the same way about you   To them you have defamed the Defence Force and many of the people who served in Vietnam.  You were a very inexperienced and junior Infantry soldier who was wounded in action.  In the last few years you have made public, your distorted, inaccurate and tawdry version of your “military experience”, there are also many events about which you have straight out lied.

Your Mad Galah mates Corse and Wiltshire often use the acronym *“FIGJAM” when vilifying good people. You are a wonderful example of that Mad Galah acronym.  You believe you should appear in the 4RAR “Hall of Fame” and have told everyone what a wonderful fellow you are, but it appears you have a fan club of one.

Aye

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*FIGJAM = F***k. I’m good just ask me
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« Reply #88 on: Monday15March2010 »

Oh what an EFFFING DICK HEAD , Donny Boy Tate really is

if there is one thing he has distinguished himself in is "wanking, defamation, slurs, hypocrisy, grand standing, bullshitting, wanking (again), cowtowing to labor Pollies, distorting the truth, wanking (again) and being a XXXX arsehole.

he would not rate a mention in any ones 'hall of fame", but rather leading the ladder in the "Veteran Wall of Shame"...

dickhead personified...............

And 4 RAR Assoc should have no room for him in any roll....
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« Reply #87 on: Monday15March2010 »

It appears that Donnie Boy Tater is getting upset with some of the real Veterans in the world. He is demanding answers again and has sent out his demands via the Mail Man. Haaa Who cares???
Ken.T.

From: Donald Tate
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 12:33 PM
Subject: re the apparent malice of the 4RAR President, Alan Price

To Alan Price, President of the 4RAR Association......

I note, with interest, the following quote on the Association's web site:

To ensure that all members and ex-members of 4 RAR, 4 RAR/NZ, 2/4 RAR, 4 RAR (Cdo) who have distinguished themselves in civilian life are recognized WE SEEK YOUR ASSISTANCE.  If you know of any 4 RAR member [inclusive of
 4 RAR/NZ, 2/4 RAR, 4 RAR (Cdo)] that is deserving of mention on these pages  PLEASE  advise the President, 4 RAR Association, Qld on [07] 3273 7973, or email apriced4@

I also note that to date, there are only five members, or ex-members of 4RAR who have "distinguished themselves in civilian life", according to that honour board- Meehan; Morris; Rayner; Rivers; and Thomson.

As a former member of the 4th Battalion (1969.......about 100 days or so in "D" Company) I hereby advise you (again) that in civilian life, I have been awarded the Australian Sports Medal- (part of the Australian Honours List) for services to sport over thirty years, in coaching, playing, and administration of cricket, softball, Rugby League, and Australian Rules.

Accordingly, I have every right to have my name placed on that list of accomplished civilians on that web site. You have been so advised on many occasions previous.

I can see no other reason for your refusal to enter my name on that Award Board than that it is indicative of your small-minded, mean-spirited, malicious nature- otherwise known as "small man" syndrome.

With Anzac Day approaching, I ask you again, in front of the Australian veteran community, is the reason you refuse to allow my name on that web site simply because I have "distinguished" myself in civilian life more than you have ever done, or are likely to do, and that you are consumed by jealousy and spite?

On a second matter, on going to the "Roll" of men who served in 4RAR, South Vietnam, I note that in the alphabetical section, it would appear that you have deliberately placed my name in a different colour font than ANY other member. Would you care to explain this- or is it yet another example of your vindictiveness and malice?

In front of the veteran community, I urge you to rectify this.

Finally (and once again) I note that you served just 106 days in Vietnam. Yet, you have been photographed wearing the two campaign medals awarded to men who served the full tour, or who were battle or medical casualties. I don't mean to embarrass you about this, but I have asked you a number of times to clarify this issue, and you refuse to do so.

Would you do so, now?

Don Tate
 


It's getting very very lonely out there Tate and guess what, it will get lonlier. No use trying to reason with you or talk sense to you but hear this. Nobody wants you, nobody wants to be near you and to be known as consorting with you.

Oh gee. That's not bad. A TPI doing 30 odd years of playing sport, coaching and doing all the travel involved and putting up with all the pressure involved.

You fake. Genuine TPIs would never ever be able to do what you say you have done and they would not be able to do it all because of physical and psychological disabilities---one or a combination of both.

You have been very successful conning DVA and to top it off even conned them into giving you a vehicle. How many TPIs get a vehicle out of DVA?

Your days are over Tate. You just don't know how to lie down and die. If I can hasten the process I will do all I can.
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« Reply #86 on: Monday15March2010 »

It appears that Donnie Boy Tater is getting upset with some of the real Veterans in the world. He is demanding answers again and has sent out his demands via the Mail Man. Haaa Who cares???
Ken.T.

From: Donald Tate
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 12:33 PM
Subject: re the apparent malice of the 4RAR President, Alan Price

To Alan Price, President of the 4RAR Association......

I note, with interest, the following quote on the Association's web site:

To ensure that all members and ex-members of 4 RAR, 4 RAR/NZ, 2/4 RAR, 4 RAR (Cdo) who have distinguished themselves in civilian life are recognized WE SEEK YOUR ASSISTANCE.  If you know of any 4 RAR member [inclusive of
 4 RAR/NZ, 2/4 RAR, 4 RAR (Cdo)] that is deserving of mention on these pages  PLEASE  advise the President, 4 RAR Association, Qld on [07] 3273 7973, or email apriced4@

I also note that to date, there are only five members, or ex-members of 4RAR who have "distinguished themselves in civilian life", according to that honour board- Meehan; Morris; Rayner; Rivers; and Thomson.

As a former member of the 4th Battalion (1969.......about 100 days or so in "D" Company) I hereby advise you (again) that in civilian life, I have been awarded the Australian Sports Medal- (part of the Australian Honours List) for services to sport over thirty years, in coaching, playing, and administration of cricket, softball, Rugby League, and Australian Rules.

Accordingly, I have every right to have my name placed on that list of accomplished civilians on that web site. You have been so advised on many occasions previous.

I can see no other reason for your refusal to enter my name on that Award Board than that it is indicative of your small-minded, mean-spirited, malicious nature- otherwise known as "small man" syndrome.

With Anzac Day approaching, I ask you again, in front of the Australian veteran community, is the reason you refuse to allow my name on that web site simply because I have "distinguished" myself in civilian life more than you have ever done, or are likely to do, and that you are consumed by jealousy and spite?

On a second matter, on going to the "Roll" of men who served in 4RAR, South Vietnam, I note that in the alphabetical section, it would appear that you have deliberately placed my name in a different colour font than ANY other member. Would you care to explain this- or is it yet another example of your vindictiveness and malice?

In front of the veteran community, I urge you to rectify this.

Finally (and once again) I note that you served just 106 days in Vietnam. Yet, you have been photographed wearing the two campaign medals awarded to men who served the full tour, or who were battle or medical casualties. I don't mean to embarrass you about this, but I have asked you a number of times to clarify this issue, and you refuse to do so.

Would you do so, now?

Don Tate
 
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« Reply #85 on: Thursday11March2010 »

Don Tate, you are nothing but a snake in the grass liar, fraud, sleazebag and un-Australian.    I have been reading your blogs, interviews and other writings on the internet and it made me sick.  You have accused Australian combat soldiers of being cowards.  You have accused our cav boys of war crimes.  You say you went on operations that the SAS wouldn’t go on because they were scared.  You say the Government has finally accepted that there was a 2nd D & E Platoon.  I believe they said it just to shut you up because no one has seen anything in writing to confirm this yet.
Where is your esprit de corps?  Where is your camaraderie? Where is your respect to your fellow team mates?  There isn’t any, is there?  Your book is more important than all the things that make us Australian Soldiers.   It is more important than the people you served with, more important than the guys that gave you fire support when you needed it.
I won’t be buying your book, I don’t read fiction.
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« Reply #84 on: Sunday28February2010 »

krt the hypocrisy of the galahs like Tate is breathtaking. It seems Tate is well known in his home area, and all for the wrong reasons. Tate and his galah mates are the great moralisers, great judgers who use the well worn tactic of making personal attacks on others as a smokescreen for their own weaknesses and faults. This is the oldest trick in the book and nobody falls for it.

Tate, Wiltshire, Corse, Briggs, Joyce, Westerway, Muller et al have much to hide but they attack others in the vain hope that their faults and weankesses will be left on the backburner. They have never learned lifes lesson. People in glass houses should never throw stones. Those who point the finger always have three fingers pointing back at them.

They still haven't learned to shut their mouths and stop giving AVM the ammunition to show them up for what they are.

If it wasn't for AVM the galahs would have free reign and would still be sprinting around the interent telling lies, abusing all and sundry and trying to convince the gullible they are motivated by looking after our mates. They hate AVM with a passion because AVM stands between them and dominance of the internet.
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« Reply #83 on: Saturday27February2010 »

Donnie Boy tater, Tries to rope in another unsuspecting ex-officer with his slimy, sneaky, fish oil, way of trying to blame others for his own miserable incompetence and lying, thieving habit of stealing other peoples valour. By selectively sending out emails which he has modified he tries to direct his own shame and lost pride on to others.  Donnis Boy  couldn't lie straight in bed with a plaster cast from head to toe to hold him there.  Only this morning whilst at the Temple in Wollongong I was told things that nearly had me removed from the congregation because of my anger. More to come.  Ken.T. Angry

From: Donald Tate
To:  Allen Petersen
Sent: Friday, 26 February 2010 4:05 PM
Subject: The AVM web site....an opinion by Lt Col Brian Avery (ex-4RAR)


The AVM website........

While most good men stay silent about the actions of the maggots at the AVM web site, every now and then a former officer has the guts to state an opinion. This one is from former platoon commander and  author, Lt Col Brian Avery,
ex-4RAR:

Don

I wasn't privy to most of whatever the AVM was peddling, I never subscribed to it and don't know how I got on their mailing list. I consider that what I did read (and I did not read most of their junk) was poisonous and vitriolic, which is why I asked to be removed from their mailing list. No one deserves that sort of attack. Until your last Email, I wasn't even aware that the other four 4RAR veterans were involved, probably because I refused to read AVM's trash and I haven't had any Emails from them for some time.

 

Don, there are two sides to every argument and in this case, it is so destructive for the veteran community, that I prefer to remain distant. I certainly am not a supporter of AVM, and I am unaware of who its members are, be they ex-4RAR or any other unit. 

 

Regards, Brian Avery 


Sadly, Brian Avery is blissfully unaware that some of those maggots are former members of the very same battalion.
 
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« Reply #82 on: Friday26February2010 »

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Subject: JUDAS DUNNY TATE

My, my, this dumpkoff is at it again - how droll!. Dunny - Arse Wipe Tate - by the way, was wounded in Vietnam just in case readers of his tripe did not know. Fancy this fool trying to instruct others on how to write! However, he does have a remarkable skill to twist the truth; lie convincingly; use people to his own benefit; alter documents to suit his demented and diabolical mind set; has a unique ability to cast aspersions and despicable, totally unfounded, accusations against those who disagree with his contorted views/opinions; earns an income from the sale of his pack of lies; his writing skills have gained him a TPI pension and he managed to wheedle a tax payer funded vehicle from DVA despite his usual vitriol against that Department. Dunny as usual continues to omit detail about himself particularly his work "prospects" including baring his backside to children to show off his wounds, etc, etc.

Dunny boy (see attached letter from him to the Australian) obviously expected to be returned home in a luxury jet with personal doctors and nurses in attendance and greeted on arrival by massed bands and the CGS cap in hand awaiting eagerly to present Dunny with the VC and a letters of appreciation/commendation signed by the Queen, the Prime Minister, the Minister of Defence and Jesus Christ.
 
A C130  "piled three and four high in the back of a lumbering C130" is an example of Dunny's deliberate distortion of the truth. Tate boy, the RAAF took delivery of 12 C130A model aircraft in 1958 and in 1966 acquired 12 C130E model. It is therefore more than likely that Dunny was flown to Australia in one of the later model only 2 years old - virtually a new aircraft - however, if the aircraft was a C130A it would have been only a maximum of 10 years old. As with all of the RAAF's aircraft the C130  were maintained in excellent condition. These aircraft were the best medium transport available and the RAAF continues to use the latest model - the C130J. Furthermore, evacuees weren't "piled" high as Dunny so delicately puts it as there would not have been anymore than two "piles" of wounded. Now if the records are checked by this wanker they will reveal that at the time there was no need to "pile"  wounded  three and four high as he so insultingly states simply because there were few casualties that required evacuation in the numbers that Dunny infers at that particular time. Such medivac flights were accompanied by appropriate medical personnel so regardless of the time taken to fly to Australia he would have been well cared for enroute.

"..lifetime battle with a recalcitrant  and insensitive  ..." DVA is pure hogwash. Who pays your medical bills Tate and who provided you with a taxpayer funded vehicle? No doubt you vented your spleen when DVA didn't provide you with a Mercedes, BMW or Rolls Royce complete with driver and police escort! 

Get a life Tate and stop bleating about your wounds.



-------- Original Message --------
Subject:  LETTER WRITING LESSON..
Date:  Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:53:58 +0800
From:  Allen Petersen <petersaj@bigpond.net.au>
To:  <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>

From: Donald Tate
To: Allen Petersen ;
Sent: Thursday, 18 February 2010 10:49 AM
Subject: letter-writing

Letter- writing:

Instead of constantly telling politicians (and each other) how bad our superannuation is in comparison to others, veterans would be better off writing constructive letters to newspapers in every town, city, and capital city- in conjunction with other campaigns. Politicians might start taking notice if letter after letter gets published on the issue.

However, letter-writing is a particular skill. Too many writers fail to have a letter published simply because they are too verbose, or take little care with structure, spelling, syntax etc etc. I have a strike rate of about 90% when it comes to getting letters published, as does Ben Morris. We use similar styles. This isn't a boast, just a fact.

Might I suggest that Bernie McGurgan (and/or other 'experts' on this issue) outline in simple, point form the significant aspects we are complaining about- and distribute far and wide within the veteran community. It needs to be bulleted, accurate, and concise.

Next- veterans from across the country use components of those materials to construct their own personal letters (more effective than a form letter) and start sending them in- and maintain the rage. Over and over again.

It is an art form, but there are plenty of veterans with writing skills who could utilise them to advantage. Your letter needs to impact from the opening sentence; immediately address the issue; and conclude strongly. Pretty simple, really.

An example of a successful letter is attached.

Regards, Don Tate


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« Reply #81 on: Friday19February2010 »

In my quiet moments, I had the opportunity of reading the posts on Donny Boy TATE.

It is my considered view, that given the archive material and photographs which Tate has published in his book and on his website, one can come to the logical conclusion, that TATE went to Vietnam with the intention many years later of revealing his time there.

how many other diggers went to Vietnam and had a mate take photos of staged events and profiles.Huh??   

the photo of Tate on the cover of the Bulletin Magazine, is staged by Tate....there is no other description for it.  And who was the budding camera man !!!!!

Seems we will have to put up with Tate;s bullshit some more....seeing a new book is in the mill.

And reading his website....he should be sued....he is nothing but a first class GRUB

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« Reply #80 on: Sunday14February2010 »

Yes bradley, he could do that but I feel this one is more to Tate's taste..........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vym9mdZHRiE&feature=related
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« Reply #79 on: Sunday14February2010 »

Perhaps Daring Donnie could mix this lot into his next book: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ7968BbMnU&feature=related    Roll Eyes
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« Reply #78 on: Friday12February2010 »

I am starting to feel sorry for Donnie Boy Tater. He is getting worse and I really think it is time that he saw a doctor of Psychiatry.
Donnie if you do read this please go and get your self assessed. You have lost the plot, track and trail. Similar to when you lost the bolt from your SLR. You need some one to help you get back into reality.  You are a danger to others in that you are causing unexpected out breaks of laughter and pants wetting due to uncontrollable mirth.
 Intelligent and sensible men are starting to crack jokes in the most inappropriate placers, IE; and I quote an Officer of the Crown, "Did you hear about that Donnie Boys latest blurb on the net?" Men of high standing and respectability are breaking up in fits of laughter, Donnie!  It isn't funny any more get help, please. If not for your self then for the Vietnam Veterans who are respectable men!

We all know you were wounded some where, you told us. We all know you wrote a novel, you told us. We all know you built a Veterans walk, you told us. We all know you are the Governments answer to secret undercover work, you told us.
Now I am asking you go get some help for your own feeble brains sake. It is in melt down.  I am not joking! Some one will end up having to scheduled if you don't help your self.
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« Reply #77 on: Friday12February2010 »



The Mad Galahs just get funnier and funnier and Tate’s rants get sadder and sadder. It’s a bit sad when jealous idiots attack a person of accomplishment who is enjoying the warmth of receiving recognition for his services to veterans.

Aye

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« Reply #76 on: Friday12February2010 »

Psst. Wanna a good larrrrrf?

Tania Tate is at it again. Goodness gracious, what a vivid imagination, what a sick mind, what a tortured personality. We have received the following and we are breathless. Yes breathless. For once we are lost for words. Damn that's a change eh? What can we say in response to this Tania latest? Just what can we say. Bugger. Praps tis better if you just read it and then consign it to where it belongs. The toilet. We will say one thing, though of course super sleuth Tania will not believe us.

Clive Mitchell-Taylor is known to us by name through his work in the Veteran community. Clive is not part of the AVM management/ownership group. There are many many people who are forum members and we don't reveal their identity to anybody in line with our stated policy.So there.Galahs you will just have to keep guessing about the forum membership

Here's Tanias latest.



From: Allen Petersen
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:40 PM
Subject: More Questions for Clive Mitchell-Taylor "OAM"


From: Donald Tate
To: Allen Petersen
Sent: Thursday, 11 February 2010 8:09 PM
Subject: More Questions for Clive Mitchell-Taylor "OAM"


Dear Clive, or do you prefer Arthur......?

I note with interest that you didn't answer even one of my first set of questions recently- and this from an outspoken know-it-all with mates to hide behind.

Weak as piss. But then, we all knew that.

Well Arthur, here's another set........and I ask these as a fully financial member of the VVAA, (NSW Branch).....

- are you the brains behind the AVM web site?

- did you utilise your expertise gained at ASIO to set up, or assist others in setting up, the AVM and ANZMI web sites as the front-line defence of the upper levels of the military 'establishment', and to protect them from any criticism, or enquiries?

- are you aware that your 'establishment' mates really despise you for being a lowly grunt like the rest of us, but worse- one that didn't see any action whatsoever?

- are you aware that those still pretending to be your "friends" are being very wary about coming out in public and saying so?-
- did you recruit the chief maggot, 'Fergus Fairfax'?

- once you "retired" from the military, did you really become an ASIO agent, or did you just continue in your clerical role from the Intelligence Corps ?

- Bob Buick once boasted that in attacking those of us pursuing the 2nd D&E Platoon matter, he had support at the "highest levels of the government and the military".....was that you?

- are you the ex-veteran who had the IT expertise to gain access to ADF, DVA, NAA, and CARO files?

- and if you did gain access to those departments above, did you use the information gathered to stalk real veterans of the war, or pass it on to the maggots at AVM?

- did you ever have the brains to realise what damage you and your maggot mates did to reputations of so many people- and for what purpose- to make yourself look bigger than you really are?

As an Executive state member of an ESO "fighting like hell for the living" (veterans), I think you really should grace us all with a response, Arthur.

Regards
Don Tate
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« Reply #75 on: Thursday11February2010 »

Gutter tactics indeed Tania Tate. What a gutless wanker to attack a dead mans character and military service.

Tania the REAL reason you hated Bud is because he had the goods on you. He served in 8 RAR and the D&E Platoon and he knew your crap about the D&E Platoon was just that, fanciful crap. And for the record Bud did see action against the enemy.

You would have to be the most hated veteran in the community Tania. But surprise surprise nothing will deter you because you are SICK. Yes SICK.
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« Reply #74 on: Thursday11February2010 »

I see Judas Tate is at it again.  This new book will be an interesting read.  It might be "Don Tate - The Truth". Nah that wont happen.  It would appear to be about his "friends".

Funny how all his "friends" are maggots,cowards, axe-murderers, paedophiles etc.  I wonder if the reason he attracts such people is because he allegedly dropped his pants in front of children.  Would not surprise me.

Not matter what you write Tate, we in the veteran community know the truth and "The Truth is Out There"

Idiot
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« Reply #73 on: Thursday11February2010 »

Heavens to Betsy.!!!!!!...is there no end to this crap from the Masturbater Tate............this book should be a real eye opener...........!!!!!!

Hurry up Donny BOY, I am waiting with bated breath for the new fictional expose from your twisted and warped mind......it should be a real keep sake !!!!!

And TATE, you have Buckleys chance of finding out who I am.................

I too, along with many other Veterans, and serving members, condemn your behaviour........you are the lowest form of cretin that ever wore the starched greens.





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« Reply #72 on: Thursday11February2010 »

So piss weak Tater reckons he knows who nuidat68 is well he's wanking again . Kiss

I know Bomber Gibson and tate will be limping on his other leg when he comes by Bomber. He's a woman basher and that says it all fucking cowards they are. C/o will you send this last email from tater to Bomber so he can be aware.

Dont know about the rest of the group but i must have told at lest 8oo diggers NOT to buy tates book and why they shouldnt and they would have then told their mates anything i could do to stop them wasting their hard   earned  pension money on a shit book.

In this past 12 months ive not run into one veteran who has a kind word for tate ,oh well he dug his grave now lay in it.
A mate of Bombers
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« Reply #71 on: Wednesday10February2010 »

Is this right? Little old Donnie Boy is asking for service information about other Vietnam Veterans, just after he screams blue bloody murder about others being told about his lack of active service and laying or is that lying down on the job??  Donnie I have just about lost all respect for you as the "Thief of Others Valour" when I was told that you were searching the net and questioning all your contacts high and very low in regards to a mans service record.
Shame on you Donnie Boy.
Ken.T.
P.S. I think his record may be "Only for need to know basis". as so many are these days. at C.A.R.O.
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« Reply #70 on: Wednesday10February2010 »

AVM has received the following and makes these comments.
 
Super sleuth Don Tate knows more about the AVM forum membership than admin and our AVM members do. Well we don't find that at all surprising, after all Tate, short term serving Private Soldier, is not afraid to boast about how much he knows about the Military and how it operates and operated in Vietnam. There is little if anything ducky Don private investigator doesn't know, so why shouldn't he boast about what he knows [not ] about AVM.He is suitably assisted in his conspiracy theories by Corse, Wiltshire, Briggs and McKenzie and oh well you know who else.
 
We are truly amused by this latest Tate guessing game and conspiracy theory. Fergus is actually wondering which one he is.

Tate joins a list of guessers such as McKenzie, Wiltshire, Corse, and other leading mad galah lights. None have ever proved who owns AVM and none have ever proven who AVM Forum members are, and they never will. They guess, they lie, BUT they never prove.
 
Tate tries his hardest to be a spin master but really Donny boy you are an amateur. Nobody falls for your boy scout games.
 
AVM members have talked to each other, as we often do, about this latest drivel and have agreed admin make this post and ask the following of "I was wounded" Tate. The questions/points are in capitals beside Tates statements.
 
 
 
From: XXXXXXXXXXXX
To: admin@austvetmatters.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:22 PM
Subject: Clarifying the Barry Billing matter..


From: Allen Petersen
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 3:17 PM
Subject: Clarifying the Barry Billing matter..


From: Donald Tate
To: Allen Petersen
Cc: tjimw1@iprimus.com.au ; Bernie
Sent: Wednesday, 10 February 2010 1:07 PM
Subject: Clarifying the Barry Billing matter


As one of the veterans who has been attacked mercilessly by the maggots at the AVM web site, I have made it an unending quest to unearth the identity of the cowards who make their postings, and reveal them for what they are- in due course. DON DO IT NOW. NOT IN DUE COURSE. WHAT IS HOLDING YOU BACK. FRIGHTENED OF BEING SUED?
 
To date, we know----TATE HOW DO YOU KNOW? WHERE IS YOUR PROOF. SEND US THE PROOF---- that they include:
 
- a known paedophile who likes little boys, and tends to get his wars mixed up GIVE US HIS NAME
 
- a self-confessed murderer who does the bidding of certain ex-officers GIVE US HIS NAME
 
- a convicted cat-killer--UM CAT KILLER. WHAT IN THE NAME OF FORTUNE HAS A CAT KILLER GOT TO DO WITH MATTERS. ANYWAY GIVE US THIS CAT KILLERS NAME
 
- an ex-Private infantryman ('Bud' Cramer aka "Mowgli") who was unwanted in battalions, and saw no action whatsoever ---VILE DON VILE. NOTHING HOLDS YOU BACK. BUD CRAMER DIED LAST JULY. ATTACKING A DEAD MAN WHO CANNOT SPEAK FOR HIMSELF. SAYS HEAPS ABOUT YOUR GUTTER CHARACTER. YEP YOU WERE RAISED IN THE GUTTER AND THERE YOU HAVE REMAINED.
 
- another ex-Private ('Bomber' Gibson aka 'NUIDAT68') who was unwanted by battalions, and saw no action at all GIVE US THE PROOF
 
- a convicted thief of major proportions GIVE US THE PROOF AND NAME
 
- a self-confessed maniac and thug GIVE US THE NAME
 
- a former ESO executive member, so dumb he's failed to kill himself four times GIVE US THE NAME
 
- a corporal who thinks he was a Major-General GIVE US THE NAME AND PROOF
 
- an ESO 'leader' with a Napoleon complex GIVE US THE NAME AND PROOF
 
- assorted drunks and 'life's failures' WHO? GIVE US THEIR NAMES
 
- a Q-storeman with delusions of grandeur GIVE US THE NAME
 
- and Normie Rowe WHAT HAS NORMIE ROWE GOT TO DO WITH WHATEVER IT IS YOU ARE RAVING ON ABOUT? IF YOU ARE SAYING HE IS AN AVM MEMBER GIVE US THE PROOF
 
 
And then, there's "Certo"- an intriguing fellow. Hard to get to. Although his pseudonym might be a clue......signal corps, perhaps? I don't know. Someone will work it out eventually. WHEN YOU DO GIVE US THE NAME WITH PROOF
 
Anyway......we'll work out who he is, eventually. WHEN YOU DO GIVE US THE NAME WITH PROOF
 
More importantly, I'm trying to sort out matters concerning a Barry Billing- former executive member of the VVAA (NSW)- a man "fighting like hell for the living" etc etc etc. JUST WHAT HAS BARRY BILLING TO DO WITH YOUR ATTACK ON AVM
 
Like Clive Mitchell-Taylor.....one of those good, honest men in the ESO community....? WHAT HAS CLIVE MITCHELL TAYLOR GOT TO DO WITH YOUR ATTACK ON AVM
 
I'd like to include a chapter in my new book about BB because he and I go back aways to a time when he didn't have the heart to tackle a Council's General Manager in the Commemorative Walk matter, but I'm getting mixed messages from veterans across the country about his own service, and about certain other matters. Seems like there are lots of contradictions.
 
 
And I'd like to get it right. I mean, apparently half the Viet Cong were after him at one point, and there were lots of battles at his wirless station. Got down to hand-to-hand fighting at one point, and he copped a rifle butt from a savage Viet Cong. Must have been a nice fellow though, because they didn't shoot him afterwards.
 
I tried contacting him personally to clarify certain things, including some interesting developments to do with large amounts of hardware, and DVA cash- but my emails don't get through.
 
I specifically asked Clive Mitchell-Taylor if he could elaborate on specific information I received about Billing- but CMT seems reluctant to speak publicly now. Perhaps he prefers the anonymity of the maggot site where he can spray away to his heart's content in private- while still pretending to "fight like hell for the living" ......yeah, sure, Clive.
You fooled some. You didn't fool me.
 
SEND US THE PROOF OF YOUR ACCUSATIONS AGAINST BARRY BILLING
 
My head is spinning with it all. YES IT DOES SPIN DONNY. WE HAVE OFTEN NOTICED THAT. YOUR HEAD IS ALWAYS SPINNING FROM LIES, VICIOUSNESS, MENTAL DISTURBANCES, PLOTTING AND SCHEMING, TRYING TO STAY ON TOP OF THE REVELATIONS ABOUT YOU. YEP YOUR HEAD IS ALWAYS SPINNING DONNY.
 
Still.....it's all grist for the mill. THAT'S A TERM FAKE, THIEF AND WANNABE KEITH JOYCE USES. SUPPOSE YOU AND HE ARE WORKING TOGETHER DONNY? YES OR NO WILL DO.
 
Any further information about the relationship between Billing, "Tim White", "Mr Latimore" and Clive Mitchell-Taylor would be appreciated. NOW HERE WE HAVE TATE DELVING INTO THE MILITARY LIVES OF OTHERS AND ASKING FOR INFORMATION ABOUT THEIR SERVICE YET HE AND THE GALAHS HAVE BEEN SHOUTING ALL AROUND THE INTERNET THAT A MEMBERS SERVICE RECORDS SHOULD REMAIN PRIVATE FOREVER.
 
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The purpose of this entry is to once again, illustrate the philosophical foundation on which the Mad Galah aka Alliance Party is constructed.

Kel Ryan is well known, and has given much to Australian Veterans. Like Clive Mitchell-Taylor he does not need anyone to defend his actions

David Briggs the Mad Galah and Alliance Party executive, has responded with vile intensity to a very polite email from Kel Ryan

Incidentally the term “figjam” is an acronym much used by Mad Galahs, particularly their Commanding Officer Barry Corse, to describe any person who had a successful Defence Force Career, it means  “F***k I’m good just ask me” 

Read David Briggs’s Mad Galah Alliance Party email and judge for yourself.

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From: Allen Petersen

To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:28 AM

Subject: Kel Ryan 'maggot investigator aka figjam

From: Briggsy

Sent: Tuesday, 2 February 2010 3:58 PM

Subject: Kel Ryan 'maggot investigator aka figjam

Goodness Gracious Me, is this the same Kel Ryan who was sent by Formby to inquire of president king of the rockyspider protection rsl executive?

Is this the same Kel Ryan who after being entertained" by king and his personal executive "fan club dutifully reported to Formby, Its all ok they are not protecting an evidenced admitted criminal pre puberty child sex offender, he told me it was not our rockyspider coz we asked him and he said its not me, they have got the wrong hero?

Is this the same Kel Ryan who overlooked that the rockyspider protection enclave, formally moved a motion that the ADF high command should criminally falsify some army files because they would be embarrassing if someone did a historical search on this admitted criminal child rapist and discovered he had been chucked out of the army for what he did to a fellow soldiers son?

Is this the same Kel Ryan who did not discover that a DVA shrink and some friendly rsl advocates convinced a DVA appeals tribunal that, well its not my fault I raped the little boy, it was the trauma of killing the thousands of NVA 24 hours a day, 365 days AND the smell of ALL those dead NVA I killed AND being overrun by all those screaming JAPANESE?

The WAR made me do it.

Hang about guys. Hello Kel Ryan, DVA Appeals tribunal and the rsl advocates, just which war was the rockspider in?

I don't recall Japanese screaming in Vietnam let alone overrunning any Artillery position.

Is this the same Kel Ryan who overlooked the VICTIM IMPACT consequences in this discrete in house inquiry ?

Is this the same Kel Ryan who was deemed "not on" by the discrete Victorian led rsl national inner sanctum (12 selectors), that neither he or Billie Crews were acceptable as presidents of their executive, its ok they have selected a lovely admiral chappy for an uncontested presidential election?

Interesting comment from Kel Ryan  (below)  = There are obviously some good men around who thought that Clives efforts on behalf of the veteran community warranted such an award. I would suggest that their views need to be respected.  Is THIS what a figjam sounds like when he patronizingly asserts, YOU ungrateful gunfodder how dare you question your minority unrepresentative self aggrandizing leaders, or is this the self protection fraternity lining himself up for one of those pretty GG gongs?

Kel, a few good men do not necessarily warrant respecting simply for looking after a loyal servant and by whose definition is "Good"?

How would ANZAC Breaker Morrant have dealt with this patronizing figjam claptrap?


Briggs ,failed Soldier and former junior WA copper suffers from delusions of grandeur, a characteristic common to all the mad galah senior management. He has once again offered his wisdom, experience and silly opinion to us all.

Briggs understands absolutely NOTHING about professional Soldiering because he was never a professioal Soldier, or anything else apart from professional winger and wannabe.

He has NEVER denied the information which his mad mate Corse sent to PM Howard which said inter alia that Briggs served two tours of Vietnam, that he served in an Infantry Battalion in Vietnam and Australia, that he was involved in secret Military Operations in Cambodia, that he murdered an Australian Military Officer with the collusion of then Lt Col Kahn and that he, wait for it, was seconded to ASIO with the Army rank of Major to conduct security operations. None of this is true, as we know, yet Briggs refuses to deny what Corse wrote because he doesn't want to show up Corse for the liar and goose he is. Briggs did one tour of Vietnam as a Sapper Nasho and when he tried to enlist in the Regular Army the Army said thanks but no thanks.

Briggs has levelled some terrible abuse and accusations at various Veterans, politicians and anybody else he decides to hate. It was Briggs who sent the KILL BILLSON FIRST poster around the country during the term of the Howard Government, Billson being the then DVA Minister.

Briggs has a vile, foul mouth which spews out lies and misinformation like few we have ever met. This is his latest vile sick and warped spray.

Read up on this fake and moral crusader here

http://www.austvetmatters.net/briggs.html

http://www.austvetmatters.net/davidbriggs.html
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The purpose of this entry is to once again, illustrate the philosophical foundation on which the Mad Galah aka Alliance Party is constructed.

Kel Ryan is well known, and has given much to Australian Veterans. Like Clive Mitchell-Taylor he does not need anyone to defend his actions

David Briggs the Mad Galah and Alliance Party executive, has responded with vile intensity to a very polite email from Kel Ryan

Incidentally the term “figjam” is an acronym much used by Mad Galahs, particularly their Commanding Officer Barry Corse, to describe any person who had a successful Defence Force Career, it means  “F***k I’m good just ask me” 

Read David Briggs’s Mad Galah Alliance Party email and judge for yourself.

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Fergus 


From: Allen Petersen

To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:28 AM

Subject: Kel Ryan 'maggot investigator aka figjam

From: Briggsy

Sent: Tuesday, 2 February 2010 3:58 PM

Subject: Kel Ryan 'maggot investigator aka figjam

Goodness Gracious Me, is this the same Kel Ryan who was sent by Formby to inquire of president king of the rockyspider protection rsl executive?

Is this the same Kel Ryan who after being entertained" by king and his personal executive "fan club dutifully reported to Formby, Its all ok they are not protecting an evidenced admitted criminal pre puberty child sex offender, he told me it was not our rockyspider coz we asked him and he said its not me, they have got the wrong hero?

Is this the same Kel Ryan who overlooked that the rockyspider protection enclave, formally moved a motion that the ADF high command should criminally falsify some army files because they would be embarrassing if someone did a historical search on this admitted criminal child rapist and discovered he had been chucked out of the army for what he did to a fellow soldiers son?

Is this the same Kel Ryan who did not discover that a DVA shrink and some friendly rsl advocates convinced a DVA appeals tribunal that, well its not my fault I raped the little boy, it was the trauma of killing the thousands of NVA 24 hours a day, 365 days AND the smell of ALL those dead NVA I killed AND being overrun by all those screaming JAPANESE?

The WAR made me do it.

Hang about guys. Hello Kel Ryan, DVA Appeals tribunal and the rsl advocates, just which war was the rockspider in?

I don't recall Japanese screaming in Vietnam let alone overrunning any Artillery position.

Is this the same Kel Ryan who overlooked the VICTIM IMPACT consequences in this discrete in house inquiry ?

Is this the same Kel Ryan who was deemed "not on" by the discrete Victorian led rsl national inner sanctum (12 selectors), that neither he or Billie Crews were acceptable as presidents of their executive, its ok they have selected a lovely admiral chappy for an uncontested presidential election?

Interesting comment from Kel Ryan  (below)  = There are obviously some good men around who thought that Clives efforts on behalf of the veteran community warranted such an award. I would suggest that their views need to be respected.  Is THIS what a figjam sounds like when he patronizingly asserts, YOU ungrateful gunfodder how dare you question your minority unrepresentative self aggrandizing leaders, or is this the self protection fraternity lining himself up for one of those pretty GG gongs?

Kel, a few good men do not necessarily warrant respecting simply for looking after a loyal servant and by whose definition is "Good"?

How would ANZAC Breaker Morrant have dealt with this patronizing figjam claptrap?
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« Reply #67 on: Tuesday02February2010 »

The Princess of weird, Maryann Martinek wades in with furtive support for her Mad Galah mates Wiltshire and Tate who are peeved about a person receiving an honour for work in the Veteran community.

A very respected veteran wrote a mild observation about what Tate and Wiltshire had said about the person receiving the honour. The email was passed on by the Mad Galah postman Allen Petersen here is what was said:

From: Allen Petersen
Date: 1/02/2010 5:07:55 PM
To: Donald Tate
Cc: Dave Briggs; Barry Corse; Terry Westerway; Jim Wiltshire;
Brian McKenzie
Subject: Fw: Clive Michell-Taylor's OAM

From:  xxxxxxxxxx
To: 'Allen Petersen' ; 'Bernie McGurgan'
Sent: Monday, 1 February 2010 2:00 PM
Subject: Clive Michell-Taylor's OAM

Hello Allen, Bernie

Could I ask that you not send me any of this rubbish. I do not like personal attacks particularly that accompanied by name calling. Whether I like or dislike an individual it is always good manners to congratulate him/her on such an award. However if nothing nice can be said simply say nothing! Old wives saying I think!

There are obviously some good men around who thought that Clive’s efforts on behalf of the veteran community warranted such an award. I would suggest that their views need to be respected.

Have a good year and take care,


Martinek is not a Veteran, she is an ex Servicewoman who like all Mad Galahs (now known as the Alliance Party) has a deep hatred for the Defence Force having been sacked and escorted out of Victoria Barracks for refusing to undergo medical and psychological assessment resulting from behaviour that senior officers judged she should undergo.

Below is Martineks’s capricious contribution:

 Original Message -----
From: "maryann martinek" <studiomartinek@bigpond.com>
To: "Jim Wiltshire" <tjimw1@iprimus.com.au>
Cc: "RSL Capricornia" ; "Barry Corse" <dragon8@iinet.net.au>; "Terry Westerway" <vladtepes1@optusnet.com.au>; "RSL NAT ADMIN" au>; "RSLWodonga" ;(name removed) "Clive Mitchell-Taylor" ; "Allen Petersen" <petersaj@bigpond.net.au>; "Donald Tate" <warvet_69@yahoo.com>; "Jenny Bell" <QueenBee1@bigpond.com>; "RSL Capricornia President" ; "RSL VIC" ; "Dave Briggs" <briggsy1@iprimus.com.au>; "Brian McKenzie" <oldfaithful@netspace.net.au>
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 2:13 AM
Subject: Re: Clive Michell-Taylor's OAM

Sadly, this reflects deeply on encouraging a lack of direct communication between men in this retired community, especially to quote a ditty from  an old wives' saying hat (sic) to 'say nothing' is better.  That saying is about keeping the peace between a married couple. You men are not married to each other, you served side by side and in-support of one another. Old women are wise and they will sit politely (in their relationship with those around them) and quietly knowing that it is an annoying and rude stance - it is intended to convey displeasure as well as being a silent vigil/ protest that may see the other party leave the room.

I would think that if one is a leader of a large contingent of war veterans and retired servicemen, that it is in no one's interest to encourage any retired service personnel (male or female) to follow in the footsteps of old women (no disrespect intended) but old women will stay silent because they are not listened to. It does not mean they would not speak courageously if they knew they were encouraged to do so. It begins with brave leadership, not silencing censorship.

m2

Just my opinion


Martinek, Tate and their Mad Galah Alliance Party mates are no more than a bunch of embittered malcontents determined to bring down the reputation of the Defence Force and many veterans who served with honour. 

Perhaps their motives for their vile behaviour is “payback” for being recognized by the Defence Force for what they were.
 
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« Reply #66 on: Tuesday02February2010 »

Well Tate, the roosters are coming home home to roost.
You have called me a "fraud and a thief", Tate I shall be seeking legal advice very shortly. I hope your book sells well as you may have to hand some of it over. I have the attending policeman's worn stat dec who went to Dapto plus we are getting the stat dec's from former students, the principal and former staff plus some parents. Yes Tate, They are alive.
Bring it on.
You didn't call me a liar, so that's not bad.
I would come and knock on your door but you'd only hide behind your wife or daughters so I couldn't get to you. You hid behind others before, remember you gutless individual.
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« Reply #65 on: Tuesday02February2010 »

I don’t know Clive Mitchell-Taylor, we have never met, and we have never communicated, nor do I know if he is “Veritas” or “Action” as stated by Donald Tate in his email below.

I do know, from Mitchell-Taylor’s writings that he is an astute and honourable person who had a long and successful military career and now devotes considerable time to the Veteran cause.

Tate has said some offensive things about Mitchell-Taylor and once again “slags” the system of rewards to those who work for Veterans, just like he “slags” those who were awarded honours during the Vietnam war.

Tate is a troublesome pest and Mitchell-Taylor does not deserve Tate’s vitriol.

Mitchell-Taylor does not need me to defend his integrity, but I thought I would do it anyway.

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Fergus


Tate Wiltshire Corse Briggs et al. Jealousy is a curse.

Mr Arthur Clive MITCHELL-TAYLOR, Gundaroo NSW 2620
For service to Vietnam veterans, and to the community.

President, Vietnam Veterans’ Association of Australia, 1996- 2000; National Treasurer, 1995; President, New South Wales Branch; former ACT Branch President.

Member, Independent Review Panel of End-of-War List, Vietnam, which reported to the Federal Government in 1999.
Former Vice-President, Returned and Services League of Australia, ACT Branch; Senior Vice-President, Barton-Capital Sub-Branch.

Maintains websites for the Royal Australian Regiment Foundation; the ACT Branch, Returned and Services League of Australia; and the NSW Branch, Vietnam Veterans Association.

President, Veterans’ Training and Indemnity Association, for 7 years; Chair, National Kindred Organisations Committee, for 7 years.

Chairman, Gundaroo Memorials Committee; President, Gundaroo Community Association.

Awards/recognition include:
Centenary Medal, 2001.
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« Reply #64 on: Tuesday02February2010 »

Maybe Little Donny Boy should read the following and see what it really means to be wounded.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/campaigns/our_boys/2832927/First-Army-girl-to-lose-a-leg-Captain-Kate-Philp-talks-to-The-Sun.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1247577/Gavin-proud-fight-country--hes-fighting-new-battle-Wounded-soldier-rages-betrayal-heroes.html



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« Reply #63 on: Monday01February2010 »

I don’t know Clive Mitchell-Taylor, we have never met, and we have never communicated, nor do I know if he is “Veritas” or “Action” as stated by Donald Tate in his email below.

I do know, from Mitchell-Taylor’s writings that he is an astute and honourable person who had a long and successful military career and now devotes considerable time to the Veteran cause.

Tate has said some offensive things about Mitchell-Taylor and once again “slags” the system of rewards to those who work for Veterans, just like he “slags” those who were awarded honours during the Vietnam war.

Tate is a troublesome pest and Mitchell-Taylor does not deserve Tate’s vitriol.

Mitchell-Taylor does not need me to defend his integrity, but I thought I would do it anyway.

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« Reply #62 on: Monday01February2010 »

It is quite obverse that Donnie Boy Tater is really put out with Clive's recognition in receiving the Honour award of the OAM.  It must really stick in his gut that one one yet has recognized his efforts in undermining the Gallantry and Heroism of the Australian Defense Force personnel or their Highly Qualified Leaders from the Vietnam War. (Which he only partake in part of)

Donnie Boy is such a bad looser that he just can't stand to see others of greater merit then him self being recognized for the good and the sacrifice's they make for others.

 Keep trying Donnie Boy I am shore that one day one of your minders  will cheer your efforts.

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From: Donald Tate
To: Allen Petersen Cc: Bernie
Sent: Monday, 1 February 2010 12:06 PM
Subject:  Clive Michell-Taylor's OAM


I refer to the Honour award recently bestowed on Clive Mitchell-Taylor.......

Mitchell-Taylor is an executive member of the VVAA, and in that capacity purportedly "fights like hell for the living" (veterans).  That is his public face.

As a member of that same organisation, then, I must ask why it is that he is a contributor to the maggot-site, AVM- a website serving no other purpose than to cause psychological grief to veterans?

He has acknowledged that he does so.

This makes him a hypocrite, at best.

But the fact that he chooses to make his postings using pseudonyms ("Veritas" and "Action" being two of them) reveals him to be worse than a hypocrite- a moral coward.

Like many other awards that are dished out- it's not what you are, or what you do that's important in this world- it's who you associate with, and whose bidding you do.

Next thing you know, the 4th Battalion's Alan Price will be getting one.

Don Tate
 
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« Reply #61 on: Monday01February2010 »

Tate has conveniently ignored and skirted the critical matters we raised. He has again used hyperbole, bluff and distortions to counter the matters we raised. This is his modus operandi, his mark, his tactic and his character. He holds dear to the theory that bullshit baffles brains.
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« Reply #60 on: Monday01February2010 »

Well, it looks like Wilt is really in bed with Little Donny Boy now...........silly bugger.


From: Jim Wiltshire
To: John FaulknerALPSEN NSW ; governor-general@gg.gov.au ; anne.piggott@naa.gov.au ; Greg Cope ; Joe Hockey.MP ; Joe Ludwig.ALPSEN.QLD
Cc: PMAC ; Office of the Minister of Veterans Affairs ; Wilson.Tuckey MP
Sent: Wednesday, 27 January 2010 3:02 PM
Subject: DON TATE RESPONDS TO RECENT AVM COMMENT...


Arthur Clive Mitchell-Taylor who has just been awarded an OAM ("for services to Veterans")
is a self-admitted active member of the criminally defamatory WebSite known as 'maggotAVM' whose only (also self admitted) purpose is to defame, deride, threaten, and intimidate Veterans and their supporters, by anonymous emails and anonymous statements on that website. The members are too cowardly and morally bankrupt to use their own names or email addresses.
 
We are not. We also have no compunction about exposing such criminal parasitical germs.
 
Below is a brief example of the way in which these cowards twist the facts, followed by the facts.
Your Government is aware of the above.
 
Makes you feel all warm & cosy towards your useless 'representatives', doesn't it?
 
Cheers,
 
Jim Wiltshire 107 Phillips St Wodonga 3690.  02 6024 1079  0412 161 047

 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From:Date: 27/01/2010 2:49:00 PM
To: Cc:Subject: DON TATE RESPONDS TO RECENT AVM COMMENT...
 
THE FOLLOWING MATERIAL WAS POSTED ON THE AVM WEBSITE BY ANOTHER GUTLESS MAGGOT….

“Don Tate is one of the most obnoxious examples of vermin to ever blast a way around the internet and other places. It is a proven fact that Tate will do anything to make money, to massage his ego, to denigrate fellow Veterans, politicians and public officals and he will do this by any foul, vile means he considers he considers he needs to.
Tate tried to squeeze money from his local cricket club by orchestrating a disability discrimination case which he lost. That must have hurt, but only for a little while until he moved on to his next scheme.

See the attached pdf file which lays out the Judges orders and findings.

Consider the following truth about this crazy but cunning vicious fake.

1. He dropped his pants in front of school children to show them his War wounds.
2. He was investigated by local Police from the Kiama area for throwing a wobbly and letting down the tyres of a car in a public car park all because the car owner had, Tate said, parked in a disabled space. He was also investigated by local Police for refusing to leave a local bank.
3. When contacted his local Police referred to him as an idiot.
4. He threatened to shoot his school principal while working as a teacher and was medically pensioned off. More money for Tate.
5. DVA has provided him with a $40,000 motor vehicle.
6. Tate has been a TPI for many decades yet over this period he has played first grade cricket as a fast bowler.
7. Despite being a TPI Tate has traveled the country widely by vehicle yet claims he suffers terrible pain and has severely limiting physical injuries.
8. Tate offered to drive a quick return trip from near Kiama southern NSW to Brisbane and back to pick up a fellow Veteran who Tate wanted to attend a plaque enveiling. Tate was able to squeeze money from DVA for this plaque and surrounds.
9. Does Tate declare the earnings from his book to DVA? Is DVA fully aware of his activities including traveling the country to promote a book and playing first grade cricket for decades?
10. AVM contends Tate fails the VEA 1986 work test and should not be entited to the TPI.
AVM WEBSITE
www.austvetmatters.net

My responses:

First, on many occasions, I have attempted to answer this sort of rubbish and my emails to the AVM website are ‘bounced’ by the cowards who operate it- soon to be unmasked, and answerable for this type of posting. As to the comments above…

In relation to the “discrimination case” mentioned at the outset, the facts are these: After a dispute about my fitness to play, I berated the cricket club president. I was then sent a letter stating that the club had “been unaware of the extent of my disabilities, but now that they were, I was no longer to use club facilities, practise, or play for the club”. I regarded this as blatantly discriminatory- and took the appropriate action right to the Supreme Court. The Wollongong Cricket Club engaged solicitors; I fought the matter myself, and lost. In a 20-page summation, the Judge found fault with both sides- but most importantly, DID NOT RULE AGAINST ME IN REGARDS TO COURT COSTS (about $20,000). I considered this a moral victory.
Secondly, I consider the terms “vicious” and “cunning fake” to be offensive. Why “vicious”? Because I defend myself against the lies of fools and cowards? I have no history of physical assault against any person. And why “cunning fake”. I have physical war wounds as a consequence of serving my country as an infantryman, validated all aspects of my service, and promote my book to best advantage. If other authors are jealous of my success- it just means they are stupid, lazy, or their product wasn’t worth promoting. After two years, “The War Within” is still selling, and I am still being engaged by libraries and other organisations to speak- more so than any other author in Australian publishing history, I have been informed……almost 150 libraries, to date. That says it all. How many other books have disappeared down the gurgler in the last two years?
With regards to Point 1, I have already posted a letter from the NSW Police Service to the effect that the charge was nonsense. It was a comment posted by a “D371”- known locally in the Illawarra as a fraud and thief- and action is being prepared against him for it. That fat fool will pay handsomely for that posting- picked up and run with by other equally stupid correspondents.
Again, in regards to the second part of Point 1 (bank matter)…..some explanation. I attempted to withdraw $20 from my bank account without ID. The teller refused. Like most other veterans do- I got annoyed. The manageress was too stupid to sort it out, and threatened to call the police if I didn’t leave. I called her bluff. Three coppers arrived, handcuffed me, and eventually charged me with “resisting arrest” and “remain on enclosed lands”. Both charges thrown out in Kiama Court, with the magistrate (Walker) stating publicly “Don Tate was the last person who should have been arrested that day.” I referred the police actions to the PIC- and one of the coppers never returned to work. The bank manageress was sacked. I then took private action against one of the coppers who had “witnessed” the non-existent signature of a Chief Inspector on his Statement- and lost. Ordered to pay $4,000 in costs. Appealed the matter to the District Court (Wollongong) and won. I never paid a cent.
Regards Point 2, as advised years ago, I let down one tyre of a car in the Shellharbour shopping centre, illegally parked in a “Disabled” space- and will do so again against others who steal those places. Police took no action, whatsoever.
Regards Point 3, I have played alongside, coached, taught, and served on executives with many local police, and have a daughter who is a police officer, serving locally. They have also attended family weddings. That sort of comment could be said about anyone.
Regards Point 4, yes…it was an idle threat that followed a bashing with a steel bar whilst on a school excursion. I received a bravery award, and a considerable victim’s compensation payout for lost wages/ brain damage etc. Wasn’t I lucky?
Regards Point 5, absolutely true, and no one’s business but mine, and that of the DVA. The fact that I have a shattered hip, loss of large toe joint, severely affected knees, arthritic left hip, two bulging discs, torn rotator cuff and muscle in shoulder, deteriorating spine from 40 years of affected gait, and seven screws in right wrist qualified me for the assistance. I’ve lived with severe pain for 40 years.
Regards Point 6, I played first grade cricket to representative level until 1977; first grade to 1987; doctors marvelled at the fact that I could play at all, given the nature of my disabilities, but I was not going to allow injury to prevent me from doing so. I have not been a TPI “for decades”…in fact, I only received it in 1993, after initially refusing it in 1970 whilst still in hospital.
Regards Point 7, what TPI rules preclude me from travelling the country by car? Don’t other TPI’s travel? Aren’t the grey nomads mostly TPI’s? Don’t they play golf, go fishing, coach sporting teams, run veterans’ organisations, work for charitable organisations? I bet the coward who wrote that crap is also a TPI- but wouldn’t have been physically wounded, and probably travels just as much.
Regards Point 8, yes…my wife and I offered to drive to Brisbane to pick Jim Riddle up when I heard he was ailing. After all, the plaque was dedicated to him, and I thought he should be there if it was at all possible. Was that a crime? As for “squeezing money” from the DVA for the plaque and surrounds, might I point out that seven veterans and our wives planted 230 trees as a community project on behalf of all veterans of the Vietnam War- and the grants I received to do so were managed by local veteran organisations in accordance with DVA procedures for such projects. The author (and I have no doubt about this) was the fat, lazy, thief who ran a local veterans’ organisation at the time, and didn’t have the intellectual capacity or the guts to challenge the local council when they made the project difficult for us. In the end, we won the day- and the ground is considered the best local cricket field in the area. The World Cup of cricket was brought there for promotional purposes in 2000.
Regards Point 9, all marketing aspects and financial returns from “The War Within” are provided to the DVA, and the Tax Dept, and my service pension is adjusted accordingly every six months. As for the VEA working criteria nonsense, I have no doubt that many of our severely-affected, “PTSD-driven” vets running veterans organisations, coaching sporting teams, or contributing to society as best they can work a great deal harder than I do. Perhaps I should become a drunk, attend countless PTSD sessions, take drugs, play the pokies, or do nothing with my life like so many other bludgers do. Unfortunately, it’s not in my make-up. I’m currently writing a second book.
Don Tate, author of the best-seller, “The War Within” (Murdoch Books)




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« Reply #59 on: Wednesday27January2010 »

Hiya readers,
If you wish to reply to Donald Duck Tate go here

http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/letters/index.php

Three responses have been made--these are two which make more than a glib comment.

periwinkle
Tue 26 Jan 10 (01:35pm) It may have been a lumbering old Hercules, but the medical and nursing staff on that lumbering old Hercules were first class. I take my hat off to the medevac teams on those flights.

Max
Tue 26 Jan 10 (04:45pm) Veterans had 11 years under the Howard regime to voice their concerns about the department. If nothing has changed then why is this a problem now and not then? I smell ideology.
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« Reply #58 on: Wednesday27January2010 »

Shadow, agree with all that you have said. The care of wounded and injured in Viet Nam was exceptional, and I do believe, that the expeditious responses by medical teams (including medivac choppers) resulted in many soldiers' recoveries. Tate's blatherings in The Australian newspaper were just that. You may remember that he used the death of the surgeon who had operated on him as a shameless segue to his own "saga".

What should be noted, apart from his obvious lack of humility, are:
1. His tireless self promotion of his experiences, including his injuries.
2. His constant harping about poor treatment by the Army (in his own case) and in general.
3. His never-ending opportunism to relate other peoples' problems with Army bureaucracy or systems to his own short experience in the system.
4. His mercenary efforts to use anything and anyone to promote his "best seller" work of faction (my definition for combining some facts with a fictional story).
5. His ......bugger it, this clown just pisses me off.

Shadow, you mentioned a couple of noteworthy veterans with disabilities (I use that term advisedly) who have got on with their post service lives, some that I personally know continued on with service careers and others in successful civilian lives. Compare the contributions to society of Graham Edwards (former politician who lost both legs) with "Little Man Tate".  No contest.
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From: xxxxx
To: xxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:00 PM
Subject: tate.


Good Afternoon,
 
Well it is quite clear that Tate is a very self opinionated person. You both know that the services back in those days were very proud that in most cases the wounded etc could be flown to Vungers and be on the operating table within 60 min except when the enemy would not allow them to get the wounded out such as bunker systems etc.
 
Tate should be thankful he was in good medical hands.In the field our field medics were second to none, medical evac teams were second to none and kept them alive till thy arrived at the operation theatres ,and of course the nurses were all matrons and doctors were second to none along with the surgeons etc. Most of these nurses and doctors went on to become the heads of emergency deptartments because of their battle field experience. Also a lot of these people are still serving at colleges of knowledge today.
 
Tate needs to get on with life. I have mates who have been wounded in Vietnam. Two that come to mind is xxxxx lost a leg  in a bunker system and when it happened all he was worried about was whether he would run again. He was a athlete 100 yrds. The long story is too long to tell but he was sent home met us at the Sydney wharf with some cold cans in his tin leg asking where we had been.

xxxxx jumped out of an APC and trod on a mine lost both legs last seen chasing the white ball around 18 holes and working on his handicap. He has had a set of stumps or legs to walk around on when playing golf he takes them off and goes around.Last time he tried to get his handicap down because he was midget.

This just two I know of who have accepted what happened and do not carry on whinging about all things.They have had issues but I know these guys they would get them fixed and then move on.
 
The old herc yes it was a bucket and to some not good. But the troops both wounded and sick where bought home once they were stable and had the best surgery teams on board and were declared fit to travel home. The days of being in jungle hospitals taking days to get them back and down to ship waiting on the coast and then a sail back to hospitals. Tate we have come a long way since those days, REMEMBER MR TATER HEAD YOU WERE NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO SUFFERED and you will not be the last.
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« Reply #56 on: Wednesday27January2010 »

What a way to celebrate Australia Day hearing from the low life Judas Tate.  The crap that he sprouts makes me want to vomit, but I wont give him the pleasure.  I have also recommended to people I saw about to buy his book to look else for the truth.  They have been most grateful that they did not waste their money.
 
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« Reply #55 on: Tuesday26January2010 »

Donny Boy Tater has stepped to the lowest despicable act! Degrading the Medical staff who saved his miserable worthless life and pulled him through the worst times so he could go on with his miserable ways to discredit any one who didn't walk the path he stumbled down. Tate;! At time others have to use the shit house, and you will have to make way for them.  But as of now get back into your hole you miserable dog. Any one that attacks any of our Medical staff for saving their life is nothing more then liquid scum.

I was totally privileged in telling a woman yesterday that she should not purchase your book unless she was researching fiction and lies about the Vietnam War. I referred her to The Odd Angry Shot, as it has more fact in it. She was very grateful for my advice.
Tater your a disgrace and a shamster. You are the Lowest of the low, and above all Donny Boy, you have stolen the Valour of Others.

You are a thief of others Valour. and will be known as such for the rest of your miserable shameful existence.
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« Reply #54 on: Tuesday26January2010 »

It has just been brought to my attention by my smarter and better-grounded half, of a movie of a few years ago. It's title was "Little Man Tate" and was a tale of a child prodigy's search for social acceptance. The kid was a precocious fourth grader who was totally inept at playing baseball or dealing with children his own age. Apart from the prodigy angle, there is a remarkable similarity with "our man Tate".

I don't know whether there was a happy ending in the movie, so I can't extrapolate anything useful for Tate.....or us.
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« Reply #53 on: Tuesday26January2010 »

There is not much more that I can add to that already noted in this forum regarding Tate's pernicious offering in The Australian newspaper today. The most notable thing to me was the initial reference to the Major's problem and then everything after that was about "poor man Tate". I'm surprised that his book-selling business plan didn't include a reference in that letter to his "biographical saga".

In any case, the letter clearly shows that the clown is still riding the same horse, denigrating all and sundry. Plus ça change plus c'est la même chose.

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« Reply #52 on: Tuesday26January2010 »

Does this mean that "Little Donny Boy" missed out on an Australia Day Award for services to Veterans? Oh shucks, poor diddams.
Just had a thought, would Donny have preferred to have been flown home sitting up straight in a seat in cattle-class on a QANTAS 707?
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A common denominator for the Mad Galahs and now the Alliance Party is that they have a deep hatred for the Australian Defence Force.

Don Tate is particularly irrational when it comes to describing the Defence Force and all of those who have successfully served.

Decent Veterans do not support the constant slagging that erupts from the mouths of Tate, Corse, Briggs, Wiltshire, Westerway, Martinek and their Mad Galah, Alliance Party mates.

Tate’s latest effort published in the Australian Newspaper of the 26th January 2010 States that his medical evacuation from Vietnam was third rate, poorly organized and executed. 

Tate and his mates will never succeed with their political aspirations because their constituency consists of a very few ex Defence Force people who were either failures, or forcibly discharged, or not allowed to enlist as regular servicemen after their National Service or are atrocious wannabes like Muller, Moon, Kirkman and Eather Evans. 

The Defence Force did not fail these Galahs, it was they who failed the Defence Force and all of those who were unfortunate to have to serve with them. They were not able to cope as members of the Defence Force and have brought their insidious incompetence onto the Veteran Community.

Those dedicated medical staff and RAAF personnel involved in RAAF Medivac operations may have something to say about Tate’s description of his “Third world” evacuation from Vietnam.

Aye

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Jeeez poor bloody Tate. He must be a pain to live with and to be around. No wonder nobody near him wants to be mates with him. He never stops whinging and moaning. He wouldn't have any idea what it is like to be thrown to the wolves. The Army and DVA have looked after Tate very very well indeed. All that hospitalisation, care, rehab and a lifetime of treatment when in other countries he would have been on his own without any medical care and left to die. And then DVA pays him a pension and provides all his health care and travel expenses for treatments and on top of that bought him a $40,000 motor vehicle. Yes you have done it tough Tate. You whinging moaning mealy mouthed rabble rousing red ragging commie.

Anyway this bloke will use anybody to make his point and to prove his case, and is now riding on the coat tails of a genuinely aggrieved wounded latter day War Veteran. This is a letter Tate has written to the Australian which was sent into us.

Tate count your blessings you live in Australia, count your blessings we have one of the best Veterans systems in the world. AND, remember, it was YOU who volunteered for Vietnam Service. Nobody but nobody coerced or bribed or tricked you you sick old man--sick in the head that is. You whinging ungrateful prick.

Tate you have taken and taken and taken. You have never ever given anything back to the Veteran community which you have defiled so much. It was courageous sick and wounded War Veterans who fought and continue to fight for the pension entitlements and health care you enjoy. YOU have never ever done a thing to help your mates, but have done plenty to help yourself.

This is what the hero of Xuyen Moc has written to the Australian.

http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au:80/letters/index.php/theaustralian/comments/nothing_has_changed/desc

Nothing has changed
| January 26, 2010 |

THE army’s treatment of Major Andrew Bird ("Injured major abandoned by the military”, 23-24/1) simply confirms what all veterans know—once the army has taken your best, they’ll discard you.

I well recall flying to Vietnam by Qantas jet as an infantry reinforcement in 1968, yet when I was wounded, it was to be flown home with other wounded soldiers piled three and four high in the back of a lumbering old Hercules transport, no longer of use to the army and a second-class citizen from that day forth.

Then, after more than two years’ hospitalisation, a medical discharge and three years of rehabilitation, I was left with no skills, no employment prospects and a lifetime battle with a recalcitrant and insensitive Department of Veterans Affairs more concerned with counting pennies than serving the veterans of war. And no thank you letter either.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Don Tate, Albion Park Rail, NSW
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I've got to agree with you Spartakus. Tate and co should take a long and hard look at this clip and consider what most of us would consider a true warrior. His treatment reminds of that classic line that soldiers fight two battles, one against the enemy, the other against the the penny-pinching bureaucrats. Must add another though - the Mad Galahs and their camp followers is/are a disease that veterans need to battle as well.
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Watch this you whinging moaning perverted fake artist Tate. This is what real courage, real suffering, real professional Soldiering and real determination are.

From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: AUSTRALIAN VETERAN MATTERS
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 4:46 PM
Subject: REAL HERO


Hi Guys

Because I couldn't be bothered with the abuse, I haven't forwarded the
attached to Tate.

He should have a look at this and find out what a REAL soldier is.

Got it from a mate in Florida who knew this guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ7968BbMnU&feature=related


Cheers

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I am inspired to write a book. It is to be a semi-autobiographic saga in which I accomplish great deeds in battle, saving many of my colleagues from anihilation, but remain unrecognized by most of society and especially the Government and the Department of Defence. Something like Tate's book I guess, but better.

I have not long returned from Afghanistan, actually, where I was tasked to provide support to a small group of Australian SAS soldiers who were selected to relocate from Helmund Province to Waziristan, on the AFPAK border. For those who don't understand the lingo, that means Afghanistan and Pakistan. Anyway, some of the more influential generals, most who had not experienced real combat mind you, sought me out because I am probably one of the youngest Vietnam war veterans not yet in a wheel chair or needing a walking frame. Who was I to refuse this request to serve my nation? I understand that Tate was not available due to his book promotion programme.

As it turned out we came very close to Osama bin Laden and some of the boys took photos to prove it. It did get a bit scary on more than a few occasions, but my old skills and disciplines were what the boys needed during thsoe contacts. I will have some photos to post on the forum - not all of them of course because I need the best ones for my book - once I have PhotoShopped them. I will let you on a secret though, I had a video camera and audio gear in my back pack and the clips will amaze you. I love PhotoShop and Nero. I will need to have them all valued and after the book launch I'll offer them to Steve Gower at the AWM, there is always room at the AWM for stories and pictures of a soldier's heroic exploits. Hey, what's the point in being shy about it?

Some of my mates who I let into my secret mission (only after my return) have offered to support me in promoting the book. I think that's great. Over a few beers we have decided to call ourselves the Crooked Cuckoos. We decided that we would need some publicity because obviously no-one outside the special circles knows of the mission and I didn't get wounded or anything like that. So its sort of like my word against the establishment's official position. We are working on a business/promotion plan as I write.  I know that what I have told you guys sounds outrageous but its true, really. More later.
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AVM COMMENTS ON THE ATTACHED STAT DEC FROM TATE

There is no doubt Tate tries his hardest to spin and distort to make himself look better than he ever was.In the Stat Dec attached he says “ I reinforced 4 RAR”. Unadulterated rubbish Tate. To the non experienced military eye this conveys the impression you personally were urgently needed in 4 RAR to bolster the Battalion. The truth is you, like hundreds and hundreds of other 1 ARU members were posted out to 4 RAR and other Units on a simple posting to make up numbers in the Battalion. 

To make his simple posting sound more urgent and important Tate drops the comment about the two 4 RAR KIA who were killed just before he marched in to 4 RAR. This has nothing to do with anything apart from trying to convey the impression 4 RAR was taking casualties [ the usual state of affairs for Battalions ] and Tate could save the day.

Tate states he hadn't served the minimum 6 months which Regular Soldiers were required to serve. What arrant nonsense. Just about all those deployed to SVN were posted for a 12 month tour of duty and some served longer, some shorter and some the 12 months. The time in country depended on varying factors such as being wounded in action and being repatriated home before the 12 months was up. No Don you were posted over to HQ Coy 1 ATF because you had not completed the required 12 months and like so many in similar situations in Infantry Battalions who didn't have their time up when the Bn was due to go home you were posted over to Task Force HQ to await further allocation. In your case you were added to the strength of the existing D&E Platoon by Task Force HQ Coy OC and then later posted to 9 RAR by  HQ 1 ATF .
 

Tate states Maj Pratt said Tate was to be part of a 2nd D&E Platoon. Maj Pratt may have LOOSELY used these words to colloquially refer to this group however there is no 2nd D&E Platoon on the ORBAT [order of battle ] for any time during the Australian commitment of HQ 1 ATF in Vietnam. If such a Platoon existed there would be a paper trail of Unit establishments and TF orders signed by the TF Commander. None exist. The truth is that at various times the numbers posted to the TF D&E Platoon could be quite large and it was the TF Commanders prerogative to split his forces at any time he wished.The D&E Platoon was never a Ready Reaction Force in the sense that it's sole task and role and establishment was such a force. D&E means Defence and Employment and this was the role of this Platoon in HQ 1 ATF.

Tate says that at one stage the group he was supposedly with became a " platoon of leaderless Infantrymen". Rubbish.

The Task Force Commander would never ever allow any Infantry Platoon to remain leaderless. Tate then says Riddle, a Private, somehow became a Platoon Commander. Rubbish. He may have personally displayed leadership qualities and made decisions which any experienced Private would do but he would never have been a Platoon Commander. Tate where is the paperwork which promotes and appoints Riddle as Platoon Commander? Don't say it existed and went missing because of official corruption. The truth is Riddle was never a Platoon Commander. Oh and you say Riddle got hold of a heavy duty rifle for himself with a tripod? Don't think so. No such beast was on issue. The SLR AR with bipod was on issue. Big difference and the auto SLR was not heavy duty. Once again Tate you display your complete and utter lack of military experience and knowledge, yet you consistently talk like you were a Brigadier with 35 years experience commanding troops.

Once again Tate drops the term Sabre Force. Corse gave much credence and publicity to this imaginative Sabre Force until it became clear both were lying. No such beast existed except in their own distorted minds.

Tate says he went on leave to Vung Tau and got in a fight. He mentions this happened on about the 4th day of leave. Sorry Donny leave in Vung Tau was R&C which lasted 3 days and out of country leave was R&R which lasted 5 days. Note Tate is getting drunk and in fights while his mates are on Operation. Fights typically erupted in these circumstances over women so Tate was probably trying to fight his way into some woman's bed.

Tate says rifle sections were placed in strategic positions at Thua Tich. No they weren't. At that level Platoons and Sections were deployed into tactical positions. 

Tate says he was in Vung Tau on 25 May. He says he was involved in a fight on about day four. This means he was in Vung Tau on 29 May and possibly later than that. The Thua Tich ambush was on the night of 29-30 May 1969.He says after the Vung Tau fight he was transported back to Nui Dat by truck then flown out to Thua Tich. Rubbish. The timelines don't fit. Tate you were not involved in the Thua Tich ambush. You have plagiarized, stolen, thieved and corrupted the words and writings of others to try as hard as you can to put yourself at Thua Tich on the night of the ambush. Yet even though you say you were there you have little if any memory of this ambush which you say was the largest Platoon sized ambush Australians were involved in. Give us a break. It is well known mundane matters slip our minds but traumatic, out of the ordinary, momentous, dangerous events in our lives remain in our minds as clear as crystal for ever.

Seems like there was plenty of time for various people to run around taking photographs during the largest Platoon sized ambush of the War? I served in an Infantry Battalion and I never had room even for a small camera and I certainly never ever found myself in a situation while on Operations where I could take pictures willy nilly.We always gave priority to ammo, water, rations.

Tate has previously stated that Normie Rowe did a concert at Xuyen Moc.No he didn't. Come off it. Putting on a concert on an Operation? Don't think so. Normie may have thrown his guitar in his APC when he went out and just sang a few songs in a fairly non tac situation while in Xuyen Moc. He most certainly never put on a concert or impromptu performance. Get real. We were fighting a War, not doing a boy scout jamboree.




From: remloc
To: admin@austvetmatters.net
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:48 AM
Subject: RE: Colmer substantiates the "brassing up" of villagers en route to Xuyen Moc


 

Dear AVM

I have truly had enough of this cretin.

Please accept my apologies, because I think everyone is supersaturated with Tate, but again I find myself in a position of having to defend not just myself but his “wannabe” lies and derision of D & E Platoon Task Force.

I think your condition could be ameliorated Tate, if you were hit on the other side of your head with iron bar again.

Please give me your thoughts on his Stat Dec, and who could believe a chopper is going to land in the middle of Thua Tich during the course of a most intense period of a covert ambush operation, when we were expecting contact, so our Rambo hero Tate could lead the charge in his starched greens without webbing or a bolt in his rifle.

I guarantee that when he was returned to Nui Dat from Vung Tau, on or about the 29 May 69, his punishment was “dixie bashing”

Ted Colmer  [late at night and sick of this poor excuse for a human being]

Pay Jim his royalties “wannabe fraud” and remove that vile libel about D & E P from your web site!!

Ted Colmer


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From: Allen Petersen [mailto:petersaj@bigpond.net.au]
Sent: Thursday, 7 January 2010 7:07 PM
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Subject: Fw: Colmer substantiates the "brassing up" of villagers en route to Xuyen Moc

 From: Donald Tate

To: Allen Petersen

Sent: Thursday, 7 January 2010 3:24 PM

Subject: Fw: Colmer substantiates the "brassing up" of villagers en route to Xuyen Moc

Colmer's recent allegations that my claims of war crimes at Thua Tich and elsewhere were "spurious" is negated by his email below.

You will recall an earlier email when he provides the legal definitions, jurisdiction etc of "atrocities at Thua Tich and elsewhere".....well, here, again, note carefully his comments anout the "elsewhere" .....en route to Xuyen Moc, as I've said all along.

He also acknowleges Normie Rowe's 'singalong', and refers againt To Woolan's MC.


Don Tate


On Sun, 10/5/09, remloc <remloc@optusnet.com.au> wrote:


From: remloc <remloc@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: RE: Des's letter
To: "'Rick'" <ricb@bigpond.net.au>, "'Donald Tate'" <warvet_69@yahoo.com>
Received: Sunday, 10 May, 2009, 6:58 PM
 

G’day Barney & Don, 

Shame the attached insignia patch is that of the 7th US Cav….   Garry Owen with the Sabre would make a good emblem for the 2nd D & E Platoon.
Yes, I was always proud to be part of this infantry sub-unit, until you came along with malicious forethought, as a well oiled confidence trickster, then cunningly and coldly; calculatingly proceeded to cultivate; elicit information  plagiarised from real warriors, followed by a series of dishonoured and debased  wicked and wretched cowardly remarks, simply because you weren’t there! You are indeed a woeful and miserably pathetic excuse for a human being, along with your cohorts.  So much for the spruiked “edict” of the Mad Galahs. Your Mad Galah cohort’s proclamation is not postulated on supporting war veterans at all.  How could you Petersen peddle such disgusting garbage to  the public if you were genuine?  Perhaps your postal service is premeditated on jealously and self loathing!!!   I smell other Mad Galah rats behind this.  For your information Tate, Barry Parkin didn’t go on R & R until July 69, and had dual roles assigned by 4 RAR, albeit, posted to 1 ARU, and detached “Y” to HQ Coy 1 ATF as Infantry Platoon Commander. Not his fault and irrespective of what part he played in Garryowen; Mick Woolan was our designated Company/Platoon Commander, notwithstanding Jim was our temporary Platoon Commander, and of course he deserved ‘citation’ recognition.   Your loathsome hatred has completely taken that chance away with this nasty conceited spitefulness and greed, always looking for a scheme.  Especially evident since you didn’t draft Jim’s citation.  My reference to Mad Galahs refers directly and  only to certain people [they know who they are] intent on destroying our war history we were so proud of.     

Thanks for the Des Blazely letter mate.   

Except for the confusion between: 1 & 2 Troop; Saigon Guard relief dates; the machine gun incident with the claymores, Des’s memory is remarkable, especially without reference to documentation that would refresh his memory.


Yes

Des’s explanation of three infantry sections north of the gates makes sense, albeit, 21, 22 & 23 Section APC’s positions were north of Arrowsmith, with the 2nd D & E Pl perhaps divided amongst the three ambush posts, with the listening post making four.  I can’t speculate any further or know whether Arrowsmith’s post was protected by infantry or not.  However, I would suggest that Len Ellcombe [in company with Brian “Jock” Rennie] was the L/Cpl acting section commander with 23 Section APCs.   Yes

Now Dennis has maintained that Arnold was the other gunner at the listening post, but I can’t recall him even after seeing his photo.   So what, but the other seven recall him, and each man has already categorically confirmed each other’s presence.  Certainly not your presence.  I say again there were only two M60 Machine guns available to this platoon, which accounts for Len Ellcombe having my gun en route: 328 to Xuyen Moc.  I was with Jim; Dennis and a Sapper when attached [without a gun].  The phantom in this saga is you Tate.    

However, put simply we reinforced 2 Troop with Arrowsmith from 14 May 69 until Friday 30 May 69.   Captain Tom Arrowsmith RTB in force with 2 Troop: Nui Dat on the 31 May 69. We remained with 1 Troop. That is the joint consensus, supported by commanders’ diary narrative, albeit, somewhat ambiguous, I know Tom Arrowsmith was back in the Dat on the 31 May 69; the day of the black and white audio interview Nui Dat, with Chris Bellis. 

Arrowsmith was relieved by Captain David Lawrence’s 1 Troop and Normie Rowe [signalman for Lawrence’s HQ APC Carrier] already waiting in force at Xuyen Moc Garrison Base, Friday 30 May 69.  I know this from not just memory, having spent a couple of nights in his carrier, but from Normie Rowe’s memory, following an e-mail in 2008.  My memory suggests this, again supported by commanders’ diary narrative. 

Therefore, the Normie Rowe sing-a-long occurred on the evening of Friday the 30 May 69, with Arrowsmith’s 2 Troop also present. I have never denied that Normie sang a song or two, that certainly wasn’t a concert though, and easily forgotten, especially by an entertainer; using the definition sing-a-long very loosely.  Why would Normie remember singing a couple of songs?  What is the point to this inane question? That’s right you hate Normie Rowe as well! 

I ate pork and noodles [a death wish!] because the villages hated us for brassing them up en route to Xuyen Moc, from the Thua Tich engagements. Following the joint sing-a-long we continued operations with 1 Troop: David Lawrence from: 31 May 69 until 8 June 69 [RTB: Nui Dat]  You are a desperate nit-picking fool. No civilians were fired on, so did this imagery emerge before or after you were hit with an iron bar.  In 2000 you alleged we killed little baby at the Killing ground!!  No analytical forethought or logical rationale exists between your ears whatsoever. What are you alleging now?  We were engaged en route: 328 to Xuyen Moc, about 1430H, that Friday the 30 May 69 [During the course of a Buddha birthday cessation of fire arrangement] by elements I have described as NVA [84 Rear Services] cadres attached to D445 LF Bn.  They were dressed in  black and khaki uniforms. One had rank insignia of a Captain. D445 LF Bn et al, and would have relied heavily on Xuyen Moc villagers for food and other provisions.  To suggest the local population of Xuyen Moc weren’t forced to comply with their wishes; threats or otherwise from these VC or NVA cadre representatives is rather naïve and stupid, especially if  some of the VC were recruited from the Xuyen Moc Region and killed in that ambush engagement.   Stupidly, I ate pork and noodles that evening, perhaps prepared by a relative or friend of a deceased nog [on Buddha’s birthday!!] and became violently ill.  PLEASE EXPLAIN?   Again I’m baffled by your utter desperation to fit a square peg in a round hole. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I guarantee Tate that you and your son-in-law have already pitched a scheming documentary to a commercial channel.  Hence the desperation and determination, you skunk!! 

On arrival at Nui Dat 8 June 69, Mick Woolan’s Platoon had already returned from FSPB: Virginia [replaced by 6 RAR OP: Lavarack] and completion of Op: Mailed Fist with Tango Force.  That’s correct. Mick Woolan was probably already briefed that his company force of D & E Pl would be reduced dramatically with most member’s movement to 9
RAR, bearing in mind 26 of his Establishment 61 ORs were preparing  for RTA: May; June & July 69; therefore having to deal with the logistics of assigning the remaining Establishment Platoon personnel to continue with Phase: 2 Op: Garryowen; having to return to Thua Tich with elements of that Establishment Platoon on the 9 June 69.  Mick Woolan also had to take into account an assigned much deserved R & C leave roster to Vung Tau for both platoons of this company size force, including a rotational Saigon Guard duty relief.  Following that responsibility Mick Woolan continued with what riflemen he had available; continuing with Garryowen until mid, about the 11 July 69, with Mick Woolan attending the re-opening of the route: 23, at Dat Do, on the 4 July 69, together with the high brass. 


On the 9 June 69  Mick Woolan’s Platoon returned to Phase: 2 OP: Garryowen Thua Tich with 1 Troop – Lawrence again [hence the confusion].  Basically Lawrence just dropped us off on the 8 June 69 and returned to Thua Tich on the 9 June 69 with Woolan’s platoon. Some of Woolan’s members remained at Nui Dat for R & C including Saigon Guard relief; and of course Mick Woolan was accredited with not only OP: Mailed Fist, but also OP: Garryowen – actively taking part in this operation until about the 11 July 69 with the highlighted celebrations [filmed] at Dat Do on the 4 July 69, marking the success and culmination of operations, with the opening of the vitally important route: 23 connecting Xuyen Moc.  These celebrations on the 4 July 69 were attended by Australian & US Brass; including Mick Woolan’s representation.   Yes, as above, and of course Mick Woolan was accredited rightfully as not just the Establishment Platoon Commander of D& E Platoon Task Force, but the “supernumerary” surplus, referred to as the 2nd D & E Platoon.  As mentioned the platoon was company size under the overall  operational command of Mick Woolan  MC [like any company commander], except he was a 2ndLt committed with the infantry responsibility of strategically tasking two major operations.  Commander of 1 ATF  Brig. CMI Pearson has already mentioned that there were times when D & E Platoon Task Force, consisted of a company size force of riflemen.  I thought I adequately explained the rationale for this occasional harbouring of reinforcement riflemen, assigned to the “rotation” Parent ORBAT unit of HQ Coy 1 ATF, until required for movement to battalions.   Some were rostered to HQ Coy 1 ATF, Roll books whilst on extension leave in Australia; with 26 of this 101 R & F “reo” force, preparing for RTA, in May, June & July.   What the Commander of 1 ATF Brigadier CMI Pearson did with those “extras” was entirely a matter for himself. The Commander acted responsibly in the best spirit and interests of the Australian Army, by strategically placing these valuable riflemen in delegated operational roles [except a few including yourself Stumbles] Please tell why do you keep referring to people’s names with the quote: “What sort of name is that?” when your name is ‘Stumbles’ CMI Pearson’s deployment of this company force of infantry is exemplified by his decision to utilise them as reinforcements on Op: Mailed Fist, and Garryowen respectively.  As the operational CO Mick Woolan couldn’t be in two places at once, but he still had command of both sub-units, albeit, under the op con of both Tango Force and B Squadron 3 Cavalry Regiment’s ORBAT.  Major George Pratt’s role was administrative, and if he did make those disgraceful comments [I doubt it] then I will be writing to him demanding an apology.  Mick Woolan MC was the active Operational Establishment Commander of 101 riflemen.  Please note Mick Woolan’s citation [MC] for the action of gallantry on the 27 May 69 in the Courtenay Rubber in AO- TALBILK, Duc Thanh Region, Op: Mailed Fist; also reflects the gallantry of the men under his charge, with an additional addendum to his citation, reflecting his overall leadership of D & E Platoon Task Force from February 69 until August 69 [I think those are the dates from memory].  This overall leadership includes both D & E Platoon’s Task Force, so what is unusual about Mick Woolan MC receiving due credit for the 2nd D & E Platoon Task Force “supernumerary” reserves! albeit, he was preoccupied for the first part of Op: GARRYOWEN, i.e., he was actively on the  ground commanding the Establishment D & E Platoon on Mailed Fist.  Following completion of Mailed Fist he continued with Garryowen from the 9 June 69 until about the 11 July 69.  The more I ponder and analyse the huge responsibility; confusion and conundrum arising from Mick Woolan having to command 101 infantry riflemen; participating in two major operations, the more convinced I am of his much deserved citation for a Military Cross.   Is there anything about this brief you still don’t understand Donny boy.   The fact is Mick Woolan spent more operational time actively participating in Phase: 2 of OP: Garryowen than you [much more] and was invited to the Dat Do congratulatory gathering as a mark of respect for a job well done by all those commanders who played a part in reopening the vital route: 23 Road link, from Nui Dat to Xuyen Moc. 

All  2nd D & E Platoon members, including some of Mick Woolan’s Platoon attended R & C [12 & 13 June 69] at Vung Tau [spent the dong] with Rick Strapps and I also attending Saigon Guard with the members mentioned by Des, from about the 10 or 11 June 69 until about the 17 June 69 [2nd D & E Platoon officially disbanded on the 18 June 69] Barry Parkin returned to 1 ARU, from “detachment” 19 June 69.   Unlike R & C marked as “L” in attendance Roll book, Saigon Guard was considered duty [marked with “P”] so not apparent by perusal of Roll book.

I think this is adequately explained above. “P” for present in Company Roll books doesn’t translate to operational attendance, or even physical presence at Nui Dat.  I note that “L” for leave appears on attendance entries for R & C, and R & R.  Other leaves are sometimes marked with a “P.”  Saigon Guard is a good example because it is considered duty [relief or not]. You may well have been marked with a “P” when you were in Vung Tau [you may have been assigned to D & E Pl Vung Tau for a few days inter alia]. I think an FI SMG would suit you little Donny boy, especially with an extra taped magazine and your starched greens.

You know I’m curious about those staged photos, especially the grenade, and if reality as you suggest, what was the cameraman going to do when you actually pulled the pin and threw the grenade, since he was standing near you, or was it in front of you

See attached pdf referring to this period mentioned in your drafted Stat Dec, and PLEASE EXPLAIN, and hope the one submitted to the AFP hasn’t changed.   I note you have a vivid memory about this particular period [including the resupply chopper and trouble in Vung Tau] and as a footnote I will include my explanation of exactly what “likely” happened [a matter we argued about sometime ago]. 


I was charged with striking an MP in Saigon dated: 12 June 69 [recorded via Service Records] and sent back to the Dat the next day where I joined Mick Woolan’s Platoon on Op Garryowen and finally charged and fined in the bush dated: 26 June 69, with Major Pratt’s attendance in Xuyen Moc. I remember the incident well because I thought they were going to lock me up. That’s correct and prepared to attach my service records if required, albeit, already sent to Barry Corse.
 

Otherwise, Des’s recollection has served him well, and I appreciate the opportunity of reading his accounts.
 

I say again without malice that I remain disappointed with Mick Woolan’s silence, and do believe he personally got all the “kudos” for Phase: 2 OP: Garryowen, albeit, his Citation specifically reflects gallantry on the 27 May 69 in the Courtenay Rubber with the Citation also expressing his leadership of D & E Platoon Task Force, from February – September 69, and of course this would include the 2nd D & E Platoon [Sabre Force] on Garryowen 14 May – 8 June 69.
   That’s correct again and already adequately explained 

Underpinning this, Mick Woolan MC was a great Skipper, and I think the matter should rest.

Precisely

PS:  This chronology is verified by documentation including: Commanders’ diary logs; Roll book attendance; Service Records etc.

What interests me is everyone’s personal account from memory, which makes a fabulous story.   

Ted Colmer


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From: Rick [mailto:ricb@bigpond.net.au]
Sent: Sunday, 10 May 2009 11:27 AM
To: remloc@optushome.com.au; Donald Tate
Subject: Des's letter 

Gidday all, I apologise for all of Kevin's addresses but I don't know which one is active , attached is Des Blazely's letter. It opens up a bit more debate as to who was in the killing group with Jimmy as Des was with me and I now reckon Jock and Len in the northern cut off group which was the 23 Cav sect (23, 23A,23B)

I now have been confirmed as in 23A with Jock and Len in 23.

Des is confused about Normie Rowe as he was definitely in Lawrence 's troop. I will send a second email to reduce size.
Barney

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Just how much more crap have we got to put up with this Idiot.

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All the bullshit bits taken out.
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I can see it now. Another conspiracy coming up. Yes, thats right. Little Donny Boy reckons someone had chopped his $90,000.00 movie and removed a few bits and pieces. Donny says, "it appears that certain scenes have 'disappeared' from those very same films". Yep you heard it from Donny Boy. Note his use of the word "Scenes". That to me means the film was 'made up' of scenes with 'actors' portraying REAL soldiers. That right Donny?
We would all love to hear/see your answer to that one.

From todays mailbox.


"From: Donald Tate
To: Allen Petersen
Sent: Thursday, 7 January 2010 1:38 PM
Subject: The Historical Value of Don Tate's Films


Some time ago, Mr Steve Gower (Director of the Australian War Memorial) sent out a letter to the veteran community to the effect that the films I had donated to the AWM were valued at $5,000- and not the $90,000 which I had stated. In fact, the valuation done by Graham Shirley in 1996 states quite clearly that the "historical value" to the AWM's collection is $81,270 (See attached.
 
One can only wonder as to why Mr Gower felt inclined to take issue with me via the entire veteran community in regards to this matter- and why he included in his addressees- Keith Tennent, despised within the decent veteran community. More recently, it appears that certain scenes have 'disappeared' from those very same films- a matter currently under "investigation" within the AWM.
 
Both my lawyer, and I, are waiting for Mr Alan Griffin's explanation regarding both matters.
 

 Don Tate"
 
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Don Tate is one of the most obnoxious examples of vermin to ever blast a way around the internet and other places.

It is a proven fact that Tate will do anything to make money,to massage his ego, to denigrate fellow Veterans, politicians and public officials and he will do this by any foul, vile means he considers he needs to.

Tate tried to squeeze money from his local cricket club by orchestrating a disability discrimination case which he lost. That must have hurt, but only for a little while until he moved on to his next scheme.

See the attached pdf file which lays out the Judges orders and findings.

Consider the following truth about this crazy but cunning vicious fake.

1. He dropped his pants in front of school children to show them his War wounds.

2. He was investigated by local Police from the Kiama area for throwing a wobbly and letting down the tyres of a car in a public car park all because the car owner had, Tate said, parked in a disabled space. He was also investigated by local Police for refusing to leave a local bank.

3. When contacted his local Police referred to him as an idiot.

4. He threatened to shoot his school principal while working as a teacher and was medically pensioned off. More money for Tate.

5. DVA has provided him with a $40,000 motor vehicle.

6. Tate has been a TPI for many decades yet over this period he has played first grade cricket as a fast bowler.

7. Despite being a TPI Tate has traveled the country widely by vehicle yet claims he suffers terrible pain and has severely limiting physical injuries.

8. Tate offered to drive a quick return trip from near Kiama southern NSW to Brisbane and back to pick up a fellow Veteran who Tate wanted to attend a plaque unveiling. Tate was able to squeeze money from DVA for this plaque and surrounds.

9. Does Tate declare the earnings from his book to DVA? Is DVA fully aware of his activities including traveling the country to promote a book and playing first grade cricket for decades?

10 AVM contends Tate fails the VEA 1986  work test and should not be entitled to the TPI.



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AVM COMMENT---WE HAVE BOLDED TED COLMERS WORDS

From: remloc
To: admin@austvetmatters.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 9:19 PM
Subject: VERIFICATION OF TATE'S PLAQUE MEMORIAL INTENTIONS


Dear AVM

SOME E-MAIL MATTERS TO PONDER ON REGARDING JIM’S [ILLNESS] & REQUIRED FORCED ABSENCE FROM THE PLAQUE OPENING:

I don’t think there is any further explanation required, when perusing the content of these e-mails in concert with the widely viewed contention that Tate was seeking a copyright contract from Jim [under extreme coercion] with the plaque memorial being part of planned catalyst of persuasion; psychologically perhaps making Jim feel compelled to sign over his “Corporal” memoirs, that also required his presence for promotional purposes. As I contended previously with Tate’s fury over Jim’s absence, these matters referred to herein concerning the intended presence of media and a Murdoch Press Agent, xxxxxxx may provide the required ‘proof’ that Jim was intended to be used maliciously, as a precursor for Tate and agent’s book publishing/ advertising promotion campaign! [the decision to include Jim’s name on the plaque was Tate’s belated decision] and was it for book promotion purposes?; together with using the media circus to incorporate Jim’s signing of his memoirs, titled Corporal, to Tate’s agent/ghost writer.  The question remains, do you believe little Donny boy was acting solely for the benefit of Jim’s interests at heart, or otherwise deceitfully for greedy self serving purposes?  No other members present had the slightest idea of what Tate was planning. The whole matter was confusing, and ambiguous!  PLEASE COMMENT.

Ted Colmer


 

From: Jim Riddle

My sincerest apologies Don and ALL,  but I will not be able to attend...   I completely understand the implications and I honestly regret that I'm too ill to travel.   Please forgive me and get a new plaque...  I will pay for it.

I'm sorry Don... but i have been hoping that I'd get better soon.   I have m't..  At my age illnss can be immobilising.

My Very Deepest REgrest at such short notice.    Jim Riddle

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From: Donald Tate [mailto:warvet_69@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2007 9:28 AM
To: Jim Riddle
Cc: Barry Corse; Barney Bigwood; Ted Colmer; Kevin Lloyd-Thomas; Dennis Manski
Subject: my letter to you

G'day Jim

Mate, I've apologised twice. Can't do more than that. It was an error on my part. I hope I've rectified my mistake to some extent by launching an appeal on your behalf. A copy is attached. I'm starting it off with $100. I also wanted you to know that as well as having a federal politician on site, and media, I also had an editor from a publisher there to speak with you on the day. I thought that since the pension matter was going nowhere, a book deal might be something you could aim for. But we missed that opportunity.

Jim- all that was really for you, hence my disappointment you couldn't make it. I would've thought you knew how much I respected you that there was no malice intended in my letter. That others took it that way didn't surprise me- there are always those who look for the worst in a man. But I didn't think you would think that. I hope this appeal kick starts your life life back in Oz, Jim- at the very least we'll see what your 'mates' in the wider veteran community think of you.

Regards, Don

From: Donald Tate [mailto:warvet_69@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2007 7:42 AM
To: remloc
Subject: Re: the plaque unveiling

I'll just point out, as I did to Barry Corse, that I took a back seat in photos for the local paper, letting the other tree-planters take the credit, when in truth, except for planting 28 trees out of 240, that was all they did.

You also expressed your own personal disappointment that Jim culdn't have madxe it. No we didn’t, because we understood he was ill?
My simple point was- with the D&E thing stalling, with Jim's pension matter dead in the ater- I had not only lined up a Fairfax media, but a Federal politician who has actually been on the matter on our behalf. It's one thing to write aboiut a man, it's altogether another to meet him. It might've made a difference.

The other thing was- I'd asked an editor from a bok publisher to the occasion because I have told her about Jim's book- 'Corporal', and wanted her to meet him. No, you wanted to sign him up If he could have struck a deal of some kind, the pension thing would've been irrelevant.

Say what you like about me Ted- I actually thought I was presenting Jim with some very good opportunities. Don For yourself!

From: Donald Tate [mailto:warvet_69@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, 12 November 2007 7:54 PM
To: Jim Riddle
Cc: Kevin Lloyd-Thomas; Ted Colmer; Barney Bigwood
Subject: the plaque unveiling

G'day Jim

I'd like you to know that the plaque was unveiled in your honour. Kevin and myself removed the flag. Everyone was very pleased with the way the ceremony went, and the rock and plaque look terrific. For a long time to come, that plaque with your name on it will stand in that location- and I trust that one day you and your sons might get to see it. I will forward newspaper articles and photos as thet become available.

That said, mate....I have to tell you (and I've cc'd the other blokes who've been battling for you and the whole D&E matter for years) I was personally disappointed you didn't make it. Notwithstanding the fact that you are sick, I think you owed it to me (and the other boys) Jim, didn’t owe anything to the other boys to have made it down here for this occasion. I went to great trouble on your behalf for two reasons- first to honour you, and secondly, to use your appearance and the occasion to further your own pension matters as well as the D&E Platoon matter. To that end, I had lined up a Federal MP, local media (linked to Fairfax) and had forewarned them that the story was really all about you.

To pull out at such a late stage was to destroy the integrity of the occasion, and the opportunity to obtain much-needed support (the MP has been working on our behalf- and she wanted to meet the man, not the myth.)

In my opinion, for you to just pull out and then tell me I should put someone else's name on the plaque (this is not a criticism of Ted) suggests that you never really appreciated the significance of the occasion, or the opportunity. Doesn’t this say it all, The plaque cost hundreds of dollars, but the effort behind the whole thing took me SEVEN YEARS!

Jim, I want you to know that should I have been given a few extrra day's warning, I would have driven to Brisbane mself to pick you up, and bring you down, and returned you at my expense. I think Ted and the other boys would probably have done the same.

But with such short notice, that wasn't on the cards. No-one from D & E Platoon really had the slightest idea of what his plaque memorial thing was all about

After the efforts I've made on your behalf for two years, I feel you let me down. I am less inclined to take up the D&E fight any more. I've done my share.

I trust you are on the mend, and will the man you used to be, once again.
Regards, Don

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remloc <remloc@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

Jim, Barry, Barney, Kevin & Don,

I thought it was a wonderful day, and great tribute to Jim, on behalf of commemorating the many sacrifices made by veterans during the Vietnam war. Absolutely nothing was lost by Jim's inability to attend on such a solemn occasion Don, because I sure felt the great man's presence, with Kevin filling that role for Jim, with a wonderful and well presented speech, paying a great tribute to this man, that was truly emotional.  I was touched by the occasion, and very simply passed on a short message to Dennis today, hoping that he would relay the message and photo image to Jim.

I am not going to comment on your remarks Don, especially since we have had some cause for serious words over the course of the last 6 months, that I thought were fully resolved.

I have acted out many things in my post war years Don, that has tormented me unmercifully, so I am certainly no angel, and seriously tainted by much shame and guilt, and would never attempt to preach righteousness, through such hypocrisy.  However, this man, has led us into and safely out of harms way Don, and that covenant 'band of brothers' respect is something beyond almost everything (except family) that very few people, other than veterans have experienced, or understand through war's tragic horrors.  The respect that naturally follows this man's honour and actions is simply unquestionable, and far beyond all those materialistic principles you may be concerning yourself with? i.e., I don't really know the extent or even the existence of any ulterior motives, other than your Murdoch book deal, but now remain suspicious again, that perhaps this occasion was designed for such publicity purposes, and would hate to think that is driving force, expressed through this unseemly and disrespectful rhetoric, so please reflect on this insanity Don, and make peace with it, because I am starting to think all over again, that this whole D & E Platoon thing, is somehow really opportunistic.

Ted Colmer

 

 From: Donald Tate [mailto:warvet_69@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 November 2007 10:32 PM
To: Jim Riddle; Barry Corse; Allen Petersen; Ted Colmer; ricb@bigpond.net.au; Kevin Lloyd-Thomas; Dennis Manski; daring08@gmail.com; Ken Foster; Sarah Baker; kays@murdochbooks.com.au; brad tate; rainingfilms@yahoo.com.au; Paul Marskell; Joanne Isaac; Ian Morrison; Michael Mummery
Subject: Fwd: Plaque Unveiling 10th Nov 07

Fellow veterans, family, and friends....

I have been absent for a couple of days and just found this email from Jim Riddle. He is unable to attend the unveiling of the plaque in his honour due to illness associated with his operation of a few months ago.

This creates certain problems for me.

But in the first place, I'd like to say that the whole unveiling of the plaque thing is far secondary to the health of a bloke I admire so much. So Jim, all I can say is don't get down on yourself about it. Just get well. Perhaps one day you and your sons will get to see it in a time that better suits you.

That said, I do have a number of issues to address about it:

First, Jim or not, the ceremony has to go ahead, because DVA expects media coverage when they invest in projects like this, and since a local Federal member and the Mayor etc have accepted invitations, it must proceed.

I have no intention whatsoever, of changing the details on the plaque. No one else's name will appear on it Jim. I'll just have to sort out who to do the honour in your absence- the problem being that many vets won't be there now because it was you who was the centrepiece of the whole ceremony. (I don't know if Ted Colmer will still be coming down- but if he does, he might well be the bloke to do it.)

Unfortunately, Jim's absence denies us the media and political advantage we were desperately hoping for in relation to the whole 2nd D&E Platoon matter- and there's nothing I can do about that, either. Such a loss in so many ways.

I know many vets have booked accommodation and travel- I won't be offended if you cancel them. The ceremony will be low-key now, and there's likely to be only a small turnout. The other thing is, I was going to put $200 on the bar, but with many vets not coming, I'll just shout those who do come a beer. Sorry if that offends anyone- but I'm on the same pension as most of you.

To Ken Foster and the boys at VVAA Campbelltown- you might like to let me know what you think I should do. I'm all ears.

Please pass this along as far and wide as possible- I'd hate for any vets to turn up and feel dudded about not meeting Jim. I'll post photographs etc on the web afterwards.

For those still coming- please note....it's a 11 am start (and about a 11.30 finish, now!)

Don Tate- Organiser.

Note: forwarded message attached.

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 From: Donald Tate [mailto:warvet_69@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, 1 September 2007 2:26 PM
To: remloc
Subject: Re: The Pearson Interview

MATE, I appreciate all that. You've certainly had a varied working life. (Just quietly, I'm a hot-head too. I was medically-retired fromm teaching after threatening to shoot my school principal!) Ted, you couldn't have done any more to further this matter, and I'll follow your advice re the interview technique. I'mk certainly not going to flog the old boy. Again- many thanks. Don

From: Donald Tate [mailto:warvet_69@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, 28 July 2007 11:22 PM
To: Bruce.Billson.MP@aph.gov.au; Louise Ahearn; Sarah Baker; Barney Bigwood; cmt@cyberone.com.au; Ted Colmer; Barry Corse; donaldwk@bigpond.com; ashley ekins; Ken Foster; jason HARDING; Joanne Isaac; johngraham@railscenes.com.au; Kevin.Rudd.MP@aph.gov.au; Neil MAJ Leckie; Kevin Lloyd-Thomas; Dennis Manski; Ted McEvoy; Ian Morrison; Michael Mummery; nealcremen@hotmail.com; nhqadmin@rsl.org.au; Steve Patterson; Allen Petersen; Philip.Connole@dva.gov.au; Lisa Rainford; Jim Riddle; Allan Roach; Kevin Skippen; snafu@chariot.net.au; Ron Thomas; tjimw1@iprimus.com.au; Tony.Nutt@pm.gov.au; veterans@ozemail.com.au; Brian Vickery; vickiw@iinet.net.au; vietvet@tpg.com.aus subject: 

Gentlemen

After a seven-year battle, Shellharbour City Council has given me permission to erect a plaque at Neville Hilton Oval to acknowledge the fact that six local Vietnam veterans planted more than 200 trees at this site as part of a "commemmorative walk". 

You might recall that after we planted the trees, the same Council refused to allow us a plaque at the ground which contained any mention of the Vietnam War- despite the fact that the Chilean Boy Scouts HAD been allowed  a plaque on a rock, within the same complex, and all they had done was plant two trees (which have subsequently died.)

This became a very contentious issue within the veteran community for a short time- until a Frank Grady, President of the VVAA used his position (and the internet) to undermine the integrity of the project- even though he was never part of it, and knew nothing about it. He sided with the General Manager, Brian Weir- an act of sheer bastardry. On the other hand, the project was supported by the previous president of the local VVAA- Peter Ellis.

Subsequently, the VVAA supported Grady and withdrew their support for our fight. I continued it, mostly alone. My only support came from two old leaders- 'Alby' Morrison, the CO of 9RAR; and the Hon. Gen. David Thompson, ex-CO of 4RAR. The only organisation who got behind me was the 9th Battalion, NSW branch, for which I was very greatfull. 

The veterans (and our wives) who planted those trees were: Kevin and Judith Skippen (artillery); Tony and Pat May (infantry); Phillip and Robyn Lamond (104 Flight Recce); Allan and Maureen Kelly (infantry); Don and Lynn Wooster (infantry); my wife, Carole, and myself.

The DVA supported the project and donated $2000 towards the cost of the trees. This year, they have donated a further $1500 towards the cost of establishing the commemmorative sandstone rock, and plaque. This should let every veteran know that the project always was a valid one- with all the right intentions behind it.

It is my intention to ask Jim B. Riddle, platoon commander of the 'discrete infantry force' HQ 1ATF to unveil the plaque which "acknowledges that the trees were planted by local Vietnam War veterans as a community project to honour the scarifices of all veterans of the War. Lest we forget." Jim Riddle's name will be on the plaque- and NOT any Australian army officer's. After what was done to the 35 men of the 2nd D&E Platoon, it would not be right to ask any officer to complete this task.

It is my intention to formally invite the members of the 2nd D&E Platoon, and any other vets who are interested, to an official unveiling- hopefully this spring.

I have taken this step to highlight Jim Riddle's service to this country- almost 900 days in Vietnam across 5 different units; promised two bravery awards, but received none; and particularly, his leadership of the 'discrete infantry force' (the 2nd D&E Platoon) against a vastly superior enemy force, numerically, on the 29th and 30th May- exploits which were deleted or erased from official records of the Vietnam War (but now, at least, recognised by the Australian War Memorial)

If there be any man who has an objection to my use of Jim's name on this plaque (Jim has proudly accepted the honour) please feel free to advise me why. I believe this country has done a great dis-service to Jim (and indeed, all the 35 members of the 2nd D&E Platoon) and this is one small way to re-dress the matter.

Regards

Don Tate 1201907 ex-4RAR; 2nd D&E Platoon; 9RAR
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Other than the promotional value for  book marketing purposes, and the patently obvious memoir copyright opportunity of signing up Jim Riddle with Murdoch Press; whose name? do you think would have otherwise been inscribed on this plaque? Hello!

I have recently had confirmation that Jim certainly did not sign his copyright memoirs to Murdoch Press or Don Tate, so where are the royalty payments Tate!! Pay directly to Jim, or his trusted carer’s forthwith!

I sincerely apologise to a certain very valued, honest and sincere veteran for once again referring to Jim. The only matters I can express in mitigation to breaking my word is Tate’s ambition to destroy my life with vile filthy lies; now already out there. Please except this one exception and realise the destructive vile nature of this creature.  Sue me Tate, because I know how much $$ it is going to cost you.

Ted Colmer


From: Allen J Petersen [mailto:petersaj@bigpond.net.au]
Sent: Sunday, 18 May 2008 3:43 AM
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Subject: LETTER TO THE EDITOR - SMH 16 MAY 08

LETTERS TO THE EDITOR  FRI 16 MAY 2008
SYDNEY MORNING HERALD   http://www.smh.com.au/

Insult to injury for veterans

Can anyone explain why the Government set aside $10 million in the budget for the trust fund of SAS soldiers killed or wounded in action? How are their deaths and injuries more significant than the deaths and injuries suffered by other armed forces personnel? I have spent 40 years permanently disabled as a consequence of machine-gun wounds from the Vietnam War, but my children have never had their educational, medical or dental needs met by the government. My wife gets a measly few dollars for full-time care. My pensions will never compensate for my inability to provide for my family. How divisive is this measure among veterans - that one section gets preferential treatment?

Don Tate

Albion Park Rail

From: Donald Tate

To: Allen Petersen

Sent: Friday, 16 May 2008 10:01 PM

That nice little poem by Graham Nuttall doesn't say it all: He should consider himself even luckier that he didn't get his arse shot up and have to rely on government war pensions and shredded superannuation benefits. Instead of sentimental poetry, Graham might best employ his talents convincing politicians that veterans really are hard done by.

Don Tate
 

So a $40,000 car paid for by DVA, including all the other benefits [including public a service pension from teaching] following alleged death threats to your school principal; TPI et al, is not good enough for our little hero…. Please explain how you, Don Tate were physical mobile and fit enough to play first grade cricket all those years, as the fast bowler? but required a motor vehicle for the severely disabled?  This isn’t hearsay or conjecture that you have forwarded all over Australia about me Tate!! This is cited: Tate v. Rafin [2000] FCA 1582 (8 November 2000) in which your lost your case against the club, demanding monetary restitution.

These matters Tate are the veritable ‘tip of the iceberg’ so consider your position with a public orchestrated apology forthwith, together with negotiating royalties of your book profits to Jim accordingly.
 

Ted Colmer

* Tate_v_Rafin_2000_FCA_1582_8_November_2000.pdf (265.75 KB - downloaded 1990 times.)
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Guys,

Can any one tell me how long I have to sit at home waiting for the "Knock on the Door" by the AFP that tate said was going to happen to me last April?   Or, are you lying again donny tate?

No point in answering this through your hemorhoid mates tate, as you and the rest of them are on "bounce back".   To answer this you have to post to the AVM.

My name is Barry Hollitt

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« Reply #39 on: Sunday03January2010 »

Tate answers Wozza in his usual way.

From: Donald Tate
To: Allen Petersen
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2010 5:57 AM
Subject: "WOZZA" - another AVM maggot


Hey "Wozza" (not enough guts to put your real name to your mails, eh?)...I got sent a copy of your letter to the maggot web site, and thought I might make a comment or two....
First...who the hell are you?
Secondly, you say you spoke to local veterans about me...well let me set you straight about them....I haven't met one man among them in 40 years...I went to a VVCS group once and met a few, still mates with one of them, Kev Skippen (ex-Sig)...but a Greg Clarke (sailor) said it all about the local mob....4 hrs in Vietnam waters, and was telling all and sundry about being a scout for an elite infantry/naval unit.......hmmmm
Since then, never spoken to any of them, and never had dealings with them...after they crawled out of hiding when Grady moved on (shoved aside, I mean) a couple came calling and told me what a !!!!..he was, and wanted me to join their organisation...I opted not to....I joined the mob in Macarthur- and they're real men....some top blokes, and led by men with integrity.....they use their real names, Wozza...they don't hide behind pseudonyms...
As for "visiting' me, why would you want to? Are you in love with me?
Anyway, ....thanks for the heads up....strange you couldn't find me though, since I've lived in the same house for 36 years....
"Wozza"...you're just another gutless wanker trying to get your name up in lights.....go back to playing with yourself!
Don Tate
 

Wozza is now a maggot according to Little Donny Boy. 
The worst that people on this forum have referred to Tate is as a liar and a wannabe.
Tate on the other hand has referred to others as maggots, abusers of children, rock spiders, star chamber princess's, stalkers, murders, wankers, war criminals, homosexuals and many other descriptions, all derogatory.
Tate also wants one and all to know he (1)voluntary enlisted, (2)choose Infantry, went to Vet Nam and got himself (3)wounded while now supposedly going to the aid of other wounded.
I can think of many others who did all three things but do not scream and cry and carry on about it.  These are the REAL soldiers. Little Donny Boy, you come nowhere near being MAN enough  to have been a REAL soldier.
You cry, whinge and carry on like a 3 year who was not allowed a lolly.
Maybe someone should take your poor suffering wife aside and tell her the facts.
Oh, by the way, do you still go to bed wearing your shouch hat so that you can get it "up"?
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Hi Donnie Boy.  Well you were warned that the worm would turn.  It now appears to be coming back with a vengeance. So be it Donnie Boy, you lied now you front your Judges. Ken.T.
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« Reply #37 on: Saturday02January2010 »

People;
 I would not even give Tate the time of day,let lone let him have Jim's.memorandums One must remember TATE is a fool could not lie straight in bed if he tried,and for someone like this ex digger to go on the way he does well enough said.
This clown will try anything to keep his name in the spotlight<I have just returned from the South Coast on N.S.W(Wollongong) and I can inform all of you he is regarded as a joke amongst other Veterans that I spoke to.I did ask a number of them to convey to this Arsehole that I was in town and would like to speak to him.Well that never happened even after giving my details to be passed on>I did go looking for him in the suburb of residence to no avail,But Tate dickhead I will be back to seek you out my mate will inform me just when you decide to show your face .Shit I forgot I will be back there ANZAC day and I will do my best to seek you out

Remember one thing TATE our paths will cross some where and I will not inform you before it does.Your arse is mine I am sick of reading shit if only you would publish the TRUTH.

Wozza
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From: remloc
To: admin@austvetmatters.net
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 2:27 PM
Subject:  CONFIRMATION OF COPYRIGHT OWNERSHIP - JIM RIDDLE'S MEMOIRS
 

Dear AVM,

THE SMOKING GUN!!!

Confirmation urgently required: This approach is dated the 12 April 2007.

Tate’s possible copyright theft of Jim’s memoirs!  Please refer to xxxxxxxxxx and please establish with Jim or preferably his son’s xxxxx, whether a copyright contract was legally entered into between Jim Riddle and Murdoch Press [or agent] .  Could this factor further explain Tate’s fury with Jim’s absence at the Plaque Memorial.  Tate’s agent was present, and poised with her pen.

Has Tate already breached copyright by illegally referring to Jim’s transcripts.  Repeatedly and repeatedly!

Jim’s memoirs are excellent and should be published, but they are certainly not a facsimile narrative diary of “contemporaneous” matters. Nevertheless, I agree with most of Jim’s memory. After all, the man did 730 days in theatre in a combat role.

I have the greatest regards for Jim, and would hate to see his literature subject to copyright theft, that already appears to be so blatantly obvious.

Perhaps careful perusal of Tate’s book is required for patently obvious breaches.

With that, I would hate to envisage Jim signing over his memoir rights to Tate, especially on such false promises.

Tate has confirmed reporting me to the Police?, yet continues to: taunt, harass, menace, threaten, coerce, blackmail,  and exacerbate my PTSD with explosive provocation  inter alia; with constant e-mails delivered by Allen Petersen’s “Mad Galah” forum.

Yes, I suffer from enragement, but who wouldn’t respond to his disgraceful taunts, that are meaningfully directed to my platoon et al; causing almost uncontrollable catastrophic reactions and resultant illness.

Ted Colmer
 

From: Donald Tate

To: Barney Bigwood ; Ted Colmer ; Barry Corse ; donaldwk@bigpond.com ; Ken Foster ; hq1atf@hotmail.com ; johngraham@railscenes.com.au ; Kevin Lloyd-Thomas ; Dennis Manski ; Ian Morrison ; nealcremen@hotmail.com ; Steve Patterson ; remloc@optushome.com.au ; Jim Riddle ; Allan Roach ; rommel@brisnet.org.au

Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 1:48 PM

Subject: re further validating material/new faces

* Jim.......re your book "Corporal". As I said earlier, I have a contact in a publiching company when you're ready, but they will want a polished version. Would you be interested in working with me re this project? It would cover your experiences in both tours of Vietnam, as well as those before, and your history since. I'd also like to write an article about you myself, from what I already have out of our communications last year. 

 

From: Donald Tate

To: Allen Petersen

Sent: Saturday, 2 January 2010 11:43 AM

Subject: Re: The OTHER D&E Platoon...!! **POSTS

Colmer....it was YOUR assertion that here was a "sapper's burial" in September, not mine. I was just interested in some more information about it. In your email, you said you were under Henderson's leadership, and YOU asked the question...where was Cosgrove?

As for your legal threats, go for it you wanker.

You've threatened many people with violence, made wild allegations; defamed; and vilified.

I'm ready for you.

Don Tate

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From: Allen Petersen petersaj@bigpond.net.au
Sent: Saturday, 2 January 2010 2:31 PM
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Subject: The OTHER D&E Platoon...!! **POSTS

From: remloc  (Ted Colmer)

To: Allen J Petersen ; Barry CORSE

Sent: Friday, 1 January 2010 3:24 PM

Subject: RE: The OTHER D&E Platoon...!!

Ooh….Ouch!!! little Donny boy, and archive advisers?  I suppose it is time for the complete expose’ so please have the courage Bazza and JW to pledge your allegiance, before I expedite. Yes Donny I know about Dianna [Singleton] and intend speaking to Mr Rafin? Mr Solicitor will be sending you a letter shortly.  His name is Paul M from Penrith – ex cop.  Your shit fight little Donny boy, because I couldn’t give a rat’s arse.

Why would you be requesting this information from Armour or D & E Platoon Task Force?

That wasn’t a “sapper’s burial “ it was a heavy DF bombardment of mortars following our departure.  After all, we had at least a company up our arse, and I vividly recall using my entrenching tool, using the gutters of the wide track for burial.  The Cav vehicles were at least a click away, copping our friendly fire all night!

Albeit, my vivid memory is like yesterday, I have visited the diary narratives, to find some good detailed info, and our  D & E Pl C/S: 5, had VC KIA 3, [the third is speculative albeit I know we got him] giving up on the heavy blood trail, with 3 AK47s CIA.  They were forward scouts.

I was the section commander directly involved in the initial claymore ambush Donny boy, with our platoon backed into a bamboo thicket, which followed with another intense engagement later that evening, and again early the next morning.

They were scouts, with a further section sent out later for recce purposes, which automatically following with an intense engagement.  Funny enough I have had recent contact with three from my section, resulting from the Welcome Home March films; worth at least $5,000.000 haha. One, my forward scout lives nearby, and another a Greek butcher, has articulated what he would like to do with a meat hook and his special knife!

I will give you some clues.  Initial contact 1900H, from 2 metres, [5 claymores] followed by a further more intense contact at 0345H [all forward claymores used] then the last contact at 0800H, at YS495896, under the op con of B Sqn 1 ARMD REGT, Major A.H. Smith.  Russ Henderson was our Skipper.

Len Elcombe and Rick Howie were the other section commanders.

I suppose you are going to allege Major Smith committed war crimes.

Otherwise, find out for yourself, because I’m not doing the work for you.

Still trying to stir up trouble with Peter Cosgrove?   Couldn’t be an embellished documentary with your son-in-law.

As for paragraph 2, I am passing  that rubbish onto most of my D & E Pl comrades who remained in theatre with Lt Cosgrove MC, 1970, so stay alert little Donny boy.

I think I gave a severely wounded VC a full magazine of M16 at 0800H.  Not sure if he was dead or alive, and not the first time!!!!  Try charging me with war crimes, wanker.

You see dickhead the safety of my men came before anything else, albeit, at that point I was a screwed up 20 year old.

PS: Your call Bazza and JW….Are you going to let this stooge run or not.  Yes or No will do.

TC

 

From: Donald Tate

To: Allen Petersen ;

Sent: Wednesday, 30 December 2009 8:28 PM

Subject: More questions about the OTHER D&E Platoon....!!

I was wondering if any veterans who were involved could provide me with some additional information regarding a couple of matters:

1. Ted Colmer asserts that he was involved in another "sapper's burial" in September of 1969 in the de Courtenay Rubber.....three VC blown up on this occasion. He thinks Lt Henderson was the platoon commander, but wonders

(if that was the case) where Lt Cosgrove was then?


2, And secondly, I'm looking into the exploits of the D&E Platoon that operated out of Vung Tau and was involved in providing protection for a unit working on Long Son Island around the Apr/May 1970 period...not very successfully, apparently. Was that Lt Cosgrove's platoon, and if so, what else was that platoon involved in? 

Regards

Don Tate
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Where is "tate's" webbing? Huh

Did he carry his mags and spare ammo in the side pockets of his backpack? Huh

Wonder if our make believe hero had the bolt in his SLR!!! Undecided
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That is what the TATIE Boy is like. He slaps you on the back as a mate to insure your not wearing body armour then stabs you when he finds your not. If you are he gets others to do his cowardly deeds for him. He is well known amongst the Infantry and other corps for his foul language and his hate of the military as well as any members from the officer ranks. Still thinks he is entitled to some form of official recognition because he was wounded.
I was told once he claimed he would have been given a bag of purple harts if he had have been an American soldier.
Not many of the blokes have time for the wimp except his own little degenerate mob of three.  He is full of him self and keeps on keeping on about a few wounds he got from stray bullets.
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I find it remarkable that in May 2008, Don Tate would write this:

Dear Tom
 
I'm seeking you through the veteran network to advise you that the office of The Hon Dr Mike Kelly has advised me in a letter dated 22nd April that researchers from the AWM and ADF are unable to contact you. I advised them that you had made contact with me last December, but I neglected to take down your number or address. They are seeking further information about the 'edited-out' 2nd D&E Platoon from the official histories of the war, and are hoping you can shed some light on certain matters.
 
I can't understand why they can't locate you- given that they knew your address in 2005 when your MID was upgraded to a Medal of Gallantry- and the advice and medal had to have been sent somewhere. I don't want to alarm you- we have advised them that you were an excellent officer in all respects- an absolute credit to the Armoured Corps. Your command, your tactics, strategies etc etc were first class, and your medal was deserved. No question. We couldn't believe you only scored the MID in the first place, so were pleased to hear about the recent upgrade.

When in February 2007 he wrote this:

“I served alongside an ex-commando from your British Marines – James Riddle. Riddle resigned in 1968, and enlisted in the Australian Army in the same year, He served for more that 800 days in Vietnam. He fought in the 4th Royal Australian Regiment (10 Platoon. “D” Company); the 2nd D@E Platoon (a mobile infantry force that operated on APC’c); the 9th Royal Australian Regiment; the 8th Royal and the 4th RAR (for a second time, and again in “D” Company. I served alongside him in the first of those two units, and found him to be the most proficient, and fearsome soldier I met. He did not take to kindly to fools, and sat an officer or two on their backsides (as PTSD was taking hold of him)

He was promised a number of gallantry medals, but was awarded none. On one occasion he led a section of men against a vastly superior force (numerically and professionally) whilst with the 2nd D@E Platoon. but an officer in charge of the APC’s was awarded the medal instead. Riddle’s infantrymen fought from a jungle position, and the officer (Arrowsmith) fought it from inside his APC!

In 2005, I learned that he was alienated from Australian Vietnam Veterans in Britain, and received no war pension from the Australian Government. I addressed both issues, and in January 2007, he was brought home. His pension entitlements have been recognised and in February 2007, Jim Riddle moved to Queensland to live.

He posted that, here:

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Vietnam/rum2.html

The definition of a 'Judas' is 'One who betrays another under the guise of friendship.'  That certainly seems to be the case.
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You can polish a turd as much as you like, it is still a turd.
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Donny adores Donny

Donny Tate has embarked on a mission of self adoration. Firstly he says a "top" Detective from NSW reckons he is a jolly good fellow and therefore the world must love him. He would rather not mention the name of the Detective, however Donny boy, how does Garry sound?

Donny’s next PR adventure was to dig out a photo of himself shown on the front page of a 2006 Bulletin Magazine, where he is pretending to have been at Long Tan.

Donny boy, no matter how eloquently you extol your virtues in your self administered adoration program, nothing will save you from the wrath of the Australian Veteran Community that you have sorely disparaged to the world.

Here are his emails

Aye

Fergus


From: Donald Tate
To: Allen Petersen
Sent: Monday, 14 December 2009 7:51 PM
Subject: Top cop's advice

I offered to be interviewed by one of NSW's top detectives on any aspect of my war service, on a one-on-one basis, knowing these blokes can detect a liar half a mile away. This particular gentlemen is also a veteran- and has been following the nonsense concerning the attacks on me by that jealous rabble at the AVM.

His response.....(and I won't reveal his identity, so no one ask)....
 
"You have nothing to prove mate.  I have never doubted you as you know, but for the record - You have already established a number of eye witnesses, including first hand evidence in documentation and records produced that would withstand any prosecution attack.  They would be fools to ever take you on.  My advice is to ignore the fools Don, because, you have nothing to prove to them."  
 
I appreciated his comments because of his reputation- and the dignity he brings to the organisation he represents. Pity there weren't others with the same principles.
Someone can pass this on to the chief maggot, his faggot Canberra legal 'man', and his paedophile groupies.
 
Don Tate
 
From: Donald Tate
To:  Allen Petersen ;
Sent: Monday, 14 December 2009 5:13 PM
Subject: Fw: front page of "THE BULLETIN"....naturally!

 I thought you might be amused at this......
Attached.........Pte Don Tate (ex-4RAR, 2nd D&E Platoon and 9RAR) on the FRONT PAGE of "The Bulletin"- Australia's iconic current affairs magazine in August 2006. It was the edition that celebrated the 40th anniversary of the Battle of Long Tan of all things.
What would be the chances of that?

I wonder where good ol' Bob Buick was?
Apparently, I was the only veteran with a good enough picture to make the cover, even though I never served in that battalion!
What a blast- I'd forgotten about it. Found it behind a TV set in a cabinet we don't use.

I shall have it blown up and framed for posterity.
Ted Colmer and Alan Price and their buddies in maggot-world will be apoplectic.
The second attachment is from my service records, and verifies that I joined the 4th Battalion on the 27th January 1969- on the same chopper as Privates, Jim Sillence, Greg Sullivan, and R. Brady.

Exactly as I record it in "The War Within".
It's part of the official records I located privately- while Colmer was thinking he was the only one with the nous to do so.
How's the irony, eh?
The stumbling Private who ends up with $100,000 worth of colour film of his time in the war- and ends up on the cover of The Bulletin.

Delicious!

Don Tate
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What a wanker - Nice clean new greens and backpack and he looks like he just got out of the shower block,  Should Rambo be worried that Tate will take over???  Stroker 1st class

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To: admin@austvetmatters.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:59 PM
Subject: RE: front page of "THE BULLETIN"....naturally!

AVM

We are obviously dealing with a deranged cretin. No I’m not “apoplectic” little Donny boy, just disgusted and embarrassed.

The cretin puts himself [dressed like that] on the front page of the 40th Anniversary of the Battle of Long Tan, like you were part the battle; dishonouring our war dead and gallant heroes with your pretence! 

You are indeed a “wannabe fraud” Tate, and this self glorification of yourself warrants a brief to ANZMI, along with the pandering postman’s disgrace and gall to actually post this Nationwide.  Exasperating little grovelling cringing coward of a postman. 

Quickly Petersen, run away and sharpen your pencil.
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From: Allen Petersen [mailto:petersaj@bigpond.net.au]
Sent: Tuesday, 15 December 2009 1:01 PM
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Subject: Fw: front page of "THE BULLETIN"....naturally!

From: Donald Tate

To:  Allen Petersen ;

Sent: Monday, 14 December 2009 5:13 PM

Subject: Fw: front page of "THE BULLETIN"....naturally!

I thought you might be amused at this......

Attached.........Pte Don Tate (ex-4RAR, 2nd D&E Platoon and 9RAR) on the FRONT PAGE of "The Bulletin"- Australia's iconic current affairs magazine in August 2006. It was the edition that celebrated the 40th anniversary of the Battle of Long Tan of all things.

What would be the chances of that?

I wonder where good ol' Bob Buick was?

Apparently, I was the only veteran with a good enough picture to make the cover, even though I never served in that battalion!

What a blast- I'd forgotten about it. Found it behind a TV set in a cabinet we don't use.

I shall have it blown up and framed for posterity.
Ted Colmer and Alan Price and their buddies in maggot-world will be apoplectic.

The second attachment is from my service records, and verifies that I joined the 4th Battalion on the 27th January 1969- on the same chopper as Privates, Jim Sillence, Greg Sullivan, and R. Brady.

Exactly as I record it in "The War Within".

It's part of the official records I located privately- while Colmer was thinking he was the only one with the nous to do so.

How's the irony, eh?

The stumbling Private who ends up with $100,000 worth of colour film of his time in the war- and ends up on the cover of The Bulletin.

Delicious!

Don Tate


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From: remloc
To: admin@austvetmatters.net
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 10:56 AM
Subject: THE PAUL COLEMAN THREAD

AVM ADMIN,

AVM Please read these emails THREADS from Tate’s 6 May 2008 email distributed by Petersen, noting that he Tate had spoken to Tom Arrowsmith in December 2007 [by phone]; praising Tom’s gallant actions and citations via email.  Tate now wants to stab Tom in the back, and destroy his career, along with everyone else that gets in his way for book publishing purposes, contrived in concert with a major plan to produce a documentary attacking the Vietnam Army Establishment; notwithstanding Peter Cosgrove; highlighting the murder of Lt Convery by Peter Allen 9RAR [Allen was at Thua Tich listening post]. Tate is going to allege that Peter “Pedro” Allen was stoned on cannabis during this ambush and already suffered from PTSD before murdering Convery.   BULLSHIT.  I reiterate again that Tate was not at the listening post or indeed at Thua Tich at all.  He has gleaned this info from someone I know, and because it is sensational, involving public figures, wants to produce a documentary with his son-in-law Adam Rainford [Producer of Raining Films] Believe it or not.

Take note of the proceedings e-mails dated 7 May 2008.  I reiterated then that this enquiry was not about compromising anyone, and never made public by me, until Tate and cohorts decided to make collective allegations.  Tate agreed at the time, continuing to praise Tom, but suddenly stabbed him in the back.

Trust me on this that Richard “Barney” Bigwood; Kevin Lloyd Thomas, and all others are staunch and great blokes.  They all hate Tate.  Dennis Manski is mortified by these atrocity revelations.  They were “duped” by Tate.

I promised that I wouldn’t breach Paul’s privacy and never have.  Tate, Wiltshire and Corse however, have no qualms about treachery, and the e-mail they [Tate] produced is not the only e-mail in this thread with Paul Coleman as you can see; making their claims most prejudicial to an enquiry, even if it did get off the ground

Note I corroborate Mick Woolan’s MC, and that I didn’t start this thread as suggested.

These assertions against me are prejudicial and inadmissible.

I have never made these matters public. 

This will give you a clear understanding of what a treacherous dog Tate really is. Loves Tom to his face, then proceeds to stab him in the back.   Tate agrees with my summation that it’s not about compromising anyone, but then like the treacherous dog he is proceeds to turn on everyone.  Supported of course by the sick Corse and now Wiltshire – the one with the archives.

Ted Colmer


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From: remloc
To: Paul Coleman
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: the 2nd D&E Platoon YOUR PRIVACY IS RESPECTED

G'day Paul,
 
And thanks very much for your valued information, because it actually resolves many previously unanswered questions.
 
Now that matters have almost reached conclusion, I expect the 2nd D & E Pl, will finally be ratified, and included on the Military Objective of HQ 1 AFT Vietnam's ORBAT.
 
Once again thanks for your input, and look after yourself.
 
PS:  You might be interested to know Paul that Ashley Ekins' Official Author/Historian AWM, will be publishing the final edition of war volumes for Vietnam this August 2008, titled: Fighting to the Finish.
 
Best Regards,
 
Ted Colmer
 
Fighting Fourth Battalion RAR, & both D & E Platoon's Task Force 1969


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From: Paul Coleman
To: 'remloc'
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:52 AM
Subject: RE: the 2nd D&E Platoon YOUR PRIVACY IS RESPECTED

Hello Ted,
 
During my time as ADC the commanders group consisted of the Commander, the SO2 Int, the ADC, the commanders signaller and driver (for close protection) In my time with Sandy Pearson he never travelled without the SO2Int, all his operational decisions were based on Paul DeCure's advice. Again during my time the SO2 Ops (David Chinn) never accompanied the commander as his job was to mind the "shop" at HQ 1ATF. To the best of my recollection Chinn was not present that day.
 
I was not privy to the detail of the planning but I was always generally aware of what was going on. My job was to look after the commanders daily itinerary, his movement and security and in the circumstances I was flat out all the time just keeping up with the constant changes to each day as they unfolded.
 
The rapid deployment of 2 troop would most likely have been based on intelligence from a number of sources including the SAS and Sigint. It was not unusual for such an operation to be conducted by the 3 Cav HQ and, under such circumstances, "seagull' would, in all likelihood, have been the Sqn Comd Major Ron Rooks. I honestly cannot remember if Ron Rooks accompanied us that morning but logic would say that, as it was his operation, he could well have been on the Commanders chopper (Albatross 05) that morning. His HQ was only 100m from the chopper pad.
 
I am aware that "engineer" funerals did occur, particularly when people were short of time and had to move on quickly. Except for the major actions there were certainly no battlefield burial parties and the smaller independent ops had to make do. During my time in 2 troop we always returned bodies to the closest RF/PF post. Nobody liked carrying them inside the vehicles, as we had to sleep inside, and carrying them on the trim-vane was most unpleasant for the driver; so movement of bodies was always a problem (if they were particularly badly knocked about by .50cal they were difficult to pick up) There had been a row previously when bodies had been dragged behind vehicles; so it was a difficult situation that remained unresolved..
 
I see on a separate email that we now have a contact number for Tom Arrowsmith; I am confident that he support your case.   
 
kind regards,
 
Paul   
 
Paul & Elizabeth Coleman
 

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From: remloc
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2008 10:09 PM
To: Paul Coleman; 'Donald Tate'
Subject: Re: the 2nd D&E Platoon YOUR PRIVACY IS RESPECTED
Dear Paul,
 
Thanks for your most candid and refreshing comments, now substantiated Paul, and without breaching your privacy, which I believe is a precious commodity.  Please see attached page: 2 of Posted HQ Coy 1 ATF Company Roll Book No: 16. Commencing: 1 May 69 Ending: June 69 [PDF File].  Your commendable service to this country is substantiated from: March 1968 until November 1969,  with A Squadron 3 Cav and HQ Coy 1 ATF, so we appreciate and value your comments; particularly where other commissioned officers have either refused to comment, or had selected memory problems.  I have the greatest respect for most officers I served with as a subordinate during the course of my active service, posted to:1 ARU, 4 RAR & both  D & E Platoon's , Task Force, during the course of late 1968 to 1969 inclusive.
 
I am sadly disappointed though with two other commissioned officers that were platoon commanders of both the 2nd D & E Platoon, and  the coexisting D & E Platoon.  I have always held the greatest respect for one of these particular men: Citation & Awarded an "MC" [who coincidently lives near me in the Blue Mountains NSW].  Nevertheless, he has reserved his right to privacy, which is respected and guaranteed.  We have not challenged that right for the  last 15 months, so our motives are sincere.
 
I understand from your perspective and reality  most of the bodies were still "in situ" when you arrived that Friday morning 30 May 69; I think about 1030H. In fact 3 bodies were already collected from an ambush position 500 metres south of that "killing ground" position, near the "gates" Thua Tich; earlier that morning, and centralised for searching and disposal purposes.   There was nothing unusual about that routine, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
 
Although Major De Cure, was the SO2, Major David Chinn GSO3 (OPS)? i.e., I would have to look at diary reference's again, but  now deceased, and has been charged with the call sign "Seagull" which is a general call sign for operational commanders with the rank of Major.   Your operational assessment party Paul consisted of the following that I am aware of: Brig. CMI Pearson, Major Rooks [RAAC] yourself, with civilian war correspondent Denis Stanley Gibbons [many photos taken] please refer to AWM Collection with Xuyen Moc, starting at page: 3, and continuing; with another photographer: Sgt: Christopher Bellis [ Army Public Relations].  I was just wondering with those photos taken by Denis Gibbons, if you recall the presence of either Major De Cure or Chinn? because I actually believe "Seagull" was  Major Rooks!  Frog was assigned to 3 Cav, so Rooks was the CO of Frog, and thus "Seagull"
 
We entered A0 -FROG, Thua Tich, on the 28 May 69 [the AO was assigned to 3 Cav on that date] with extended boundaries, from SCORPION, running parallel to the Song Rai River, and further north of Thua Tich [allotted on the basis of 3 SQN SAS Patrol Reports: 18 - 27 May 69 reporting 780 VC just 10 clicks north of our position] and SITREPS suggesting D440 & D445, with Ba Long Provincial Units, were coming our way , following the Dat Do offensive etc.   By the time we arrived at Thua Tich on the 28 May 69, these enemy forces to the north had sufficient time to follow the continuing route: 328 in a southerly direction, and effectively encircle our wide spread "ambush position' .  Contact engagement  actually occurred on the evening of the 29 May 69, and again en route: 328 to Xuyen Moc Garrison Base, on Friday the 30 May 69; so we are still pondering on what the collective consensus was with the enemy intel situation by  HQ 1 ATF??   To so suddenly deploy 2 Troop, with such enforcement and urgency [immediate assignment A0-FROG, to 3 Cav] with infantry and engineers deployed into a widespread area ambush situation, must have followed with direct substantive evidence of probable enemy contact [likelihood intel], with that movement to our north, reported by SAS, and other speculation that we're unaware of?
 
We are hoping that you may be able to remember some of these  SITREP details that have remained unreported!
 
This is not about xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.   We already have sufficient evidence for that, which is not our MO.  I/we have the greatest regard for Tom Arrowsmith, so we are not trying to besmirch his name or that of his gallant troopers, because we operated so well as a composite fighting force.
 
We would appreciate though, your memory of the intelligence assessment that preceded this operation phase: 2 Garryowen, especially since there are several conflicting versions of why we were so rapidly deployed to  this AO??  Otherwise we would also appreciate any further information you might be able to remember about anything relevant to this operation; with particular reference to Tom's whereabouts, and assurance that we are not trying to implicate him in anything.  Even a phone call to Don would suffice, because we are so close to final closure and ratification of our involvement as an infantry platoon.
 
PS: Check out DVA VNR and you will see they have it wrong again.  Your posting: 15 May 69, not: 9 May 69? [where do they get this info from?] It is not so much the few days difference, but the continuing conflicting saga of it!
 
Sincerely,
 
Ted Colmer
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1 ARU & The Fighting Fourth Battalion RAR, including: 2nd D & E Platoon, and 1st D & E Platoon, Task Force  1968 -1969

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Coleman
To: 'Donald Tate'
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 7:15 PM
Subject: RE: the 2nd D&E Platoon

Hello Don,
 
To the best of my recollection this operation was conducted by the 3 Cav Sqn HQ under the direction of HQ 1 ATF. I cannot remember the "seagull" at 1 ATF but the SO2 Int was Major Paul de Cure, he always accompanied the commander. Last time I saw him he in the early 1970's he was in Perth. It would have been on his advice that the operation would have been mounted.
 
I think the bodies were still we laying "in situ" when we arrived.
 
I can understand you disappointment at the treatment you describe but I would be extremely surprised if Tom would not have supported you fully. Reading the ministers letter it would appear that he hasn't even been asked for his comments! I would also be surprised if General Pearson, still living in Sydney last I heard, does not remember the incident. These two key officers may hold the key to your situation.
 
Kind regards,
 
Paul
 
Paul & Elizabeth Coleman
 

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From: Donald Tate warvet_69@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2008 6:38 PM
To: Paul Coleman
Subject: the 2nd D&E Platoon

Mate, I was interested in the fact that you flew out with Brig Pearson at first light. Can you supply any more info from your recall? For instance. who was 'Seagull' in that instance? And do you recall how the bodies were disposed of?

Don


From: Bernie McGurgan hill55@vtown.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2008 4:13 PM
To: Recipient list suppressed:
Subject: SEEKING CAPT TOM ARROWSMITH - RAAC


From: "Paul Coleman”
To: "'Bernie McGurgan'" hill55@vtown.com.au
Subject: RE: SEEKING CAPT TOM ARROWSMITH - RAAC
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 18:03:11 +1000

G'Day Bernie,
 
The last I heard Tom was working overseas. I don't know any more detail but Dallas Mills, I think, has stayed in touch and would probably know his whereabouts. Fairly sure Dallas is in Canberra and could be located through the RAAC net.
 
As a matter of interest I was Tom's Troop Officer in the later part of 1968 to early 69 when I moved to HQ 1 ATF as Brig Sandy Pearson's ADC. We flew out and visited 2 troop the morning after the ambush at the "gates".
 
During my time in 2 troop it was standard practise in armoured ambushes to take a platoon of infantry to add firepower and provide close protection. This was usually a platoon from one of the battalions or, quite often the Task Force D and E platoon. If the D and E platoon was not available an "ad hoc" platoon was provided from the RHU unit. In all likelihood we probably referred to it locally as a D and E platoon but, technically, it wasn't. I guess when the official history was written these "second" D and E platoons would not have been picked up. The facts are that the soldiers were there and did their jobs professionally. There is certainly no "conspiracy" and I would guess that their being overlooked in the official history would be no more than an inadvertent error.
 
General Pearson could probably throw some light on the matter.
 
kind regards,
 
Paul
   
 
Paul & Elizabeth Coleman

 
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From: Bernie McGurgan  hill55@vtown.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2008 5:00 PM
To: Recipient list suppressed:
Subject: SEEKING CAPT TOM ARROWSMITH - RAAC

From: "Allen J Petersen" petersaj@bigpond.net.au
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:
Subject:  SEEKING CAPT TOM ARROWSMITH - RAAC
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 14:41:35 +0800


From: Donald Tate
To: Allen Petersen
Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2008 7:18 PM
Subject: Seeking Captain Tom Arrowsmith Armoured Corps

Dear Tom
 
I'm seeking you through the veteran network to advise you that the office of The Hon Dr Mike Kelly has advised me in a letter dated 22nd April that researchers from the AWM and ADF are unable to contact you. I advised them that you had made contact with me last December, but I neglected to take down your number or address. They are seeking further information about the 'edited-out' 2nd D&E Platoon from the official histories of the war, and are hoping you can shed some light on certain matters.
 
I can't understand why they can't locate you- given that they knew your address in 2005 when your MID was upgraded to a Medal of Gallantry- and the advice and medal had to have been sent somewhere. I don't want to alarm you- we have advised them that you were an excellent officer in all respects- an absolute credit to the Armoured Corps. Your command, your tactics, strategies etc etc were first class, and your medal was deserved. No question. We couldn't believe you only scored the MID in the first place, so were pleased to hear about the recent upgrade.
 
But there are a couple of points that need to be clarified. One of those relates to the "enquiry" conducted by a Major Pound in 1976: I know you were as astonished as the rest of us to learn that an 'enquiry' had been conducted into certain contentions raised by a Sapper Enright (and found to be baseless) but that neither any of the troopers or infantrymen from your command were called to give evidence. Nor you- which is even more startling, given that you were the OC. Given recent revelations (and photographic evidence) it seems that Major Pound might have made erroneous conclusions, and the enquiry may have to be re-opened.
 
You might also like to know that we are doing our best to secure a citation for our platoon leader- Cpl. Jim Riddle (yes, his 'corporal' rank is now confirmed). We are hoping that you might be able to assist with this- given that he led a section of men at the listening post, and most probably his actions in opening up a second 'front' saved your position from being over-run. We are hoping to achieve a medal for Jim Riddle- the equivalent of yours.That's all Tom. Nothing major. But time's of the essence now. You know that five of us are attending a meeting with The Hon Dr Mike Kelly in Canberra on the 28th May, and any assistance from you about any of these issues would be sincerely appreciated.
 
Kind Regards, Don Tate



From: Simon Hearder
To: petersaj@bigpond.net.au
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2008 6:23 PM
Subject: FW: SEEKING CAPT TOM ARROWSMITH - RAAC

Hi Allen
Hope this helps . with kind regards

Simon Hearder

________________________________________
From: John Leggett 
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2008 7:47 PM
To: 'Simon Hearder'
Cc: scalesj@; jejc_jackson@
Subject: RE: SEEKING CAPT TOM ARROWSMITH - RAAC

Simon,
LTCOL(Retd) Tom and Mrs Alva Arrowsmith are currently on the road in NQ in their converted bus / motor home, well into fulfilling their intention to drive around Australia for the next couple of years. Tom’s mobile is (or was when I spoke to him last year) xxxxxxxxxxx. Their son Ross is house-sitting their home in Sydney. The number is xxxxxxxxxx. Ross may know exactly where they are.

Regards,

JL


________________________________________
From: Simon Hearder
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 6:20 PM
To: 'John Leggett'; 'John Jackson'; scalesj@
Subject: FW: SEEKING CAPT TOM ARROWSMITH - RAAC

Hullo The Three Johns
FYI – you maybe able to assist , and if you can please go back to the sender direct. Ciao Simon

________________________________________
From: Bernie McGurgan hill55@vtown.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2008 5:28 PM
To: Recipient list suppressed:
Subject: SEEKING CAPT TOM ARROWSMITH - RAAC

FYI Men!
Persevere
Bernie
From: "Allen J Petersen" petersaj@bigpond.net.au
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:
Subject:  SEEKING CAPT TOM ARROWSMITH - RAAC
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 14:41:35 +0800


From: Donald Tate
To: Allen Petersen
Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2008 7:18 PM
Subject: Seeking Captain Tom Arrowsmith Armoured Corps

Dear Tom
 
I'm seeking you through the veteran network to advise you that the office of The Hon Dr Mike Kelly has advised me in a letter dated 22nd April that researchers from the AWM and ADF are unable to contact you. I advised them that you had made contact with me last December, but I neglected to take down your number or address. They are seeking further information about the 'edited-out' 2nd D&E Platoon from the official histories of the war, and are hoping you can shed some light on certain matters.
 
I can't understand why they can't locate you- given that they knew your address in 2005 when your MID was upgraded to a Medal of Gallantry- and the advice and medal had to have been sent somewhere. I don't want to alarm you- we have advised them that you were an excellent officer in all respects- an absolute credit to the Armoured Corps. Your command, your tactics, strategies etc etc were first class, and your medal was deserved. No question. We couldn't believe you only scored the MID in the first place, so were pleased to hear about the recent upgrade.
 
But there are a couple of points that need to be clarified. One of those relates to the "enquiry" conducted by a Major Pound in 1976: I know you were as astonished as the rest of us to learn that an 'enquiry' had been conducted into certain contentions raised by a Sapper Enright (and found to be baseless) but that neither any of the troopers or infantrymen from your command were called to give evidence. Nor you- which is even more startling, given that you were the OC. Given recent revelations (and photographic evidence) it seems that Major Pound might have made erroneous conclusions, and the enquiry may have to be re-opened.
 
You might also like to know that we are doing our best to secure a citation for our platoon leader- Cpl. Jim Riddle (yes, his 'corporal' rank is now confirmed). We are hoping that you might be able to assist with this- given that he led a section of men at the listening post, and most probably his actions in opening up a second 'front' saved your position from being over-run. We are hoping to achieve a medal for Jim Riddle- the equivalent of yours.That's all Tom. Nothing major. But time's of the essence now. You know that five of us are attending a meeting with The Hon Dr Mike Kelly in Canberra on the 28th May, and any assistance from you about any of these issues would be sincerely appreciated.
 
Kind Regards, Don Tate
 
Hello Don,
 
To the best of my recollection this operation was conducted by the 3 Cav Sqn HQ under the direction of HQ 1 ATF. I cannot remember the "seagull" at 1 ATF but the SO2 Int was Major Paul de Cure, he always accompanied the commander. Last time I saw him he in the early 1970's he was in Perth. It would have been on his advice that the operation would have been mounted.
 
I think the bodies were still we laying "in situ" when we arrived.
 
I can understand you disappointment at the treatment you describe but I would be extremely surprised if Tom would not have supported you fully. Reading the ministers letter it would appear that he hasn't even been asked for his comments! I would also be surprised if General Pearson, still living in Sydney last I heard, does not remember the incident. These two key officers may hold the key to your situation.
 
Kind regards,
 
Paul
 
Paul & Elizabeth Coleman

________________________________________
From: Donald Tate warvet_69@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2008 6:38 PM
To: pcol7465@
Subject: the 2nd D&E Platoon
Mate, I was interested in the fact that you flew out with Brig Pearson at first light. Can you supply any more info from your recall? For instance. who was 'Seagull' in that instance? And do you recall how the bodies were disposed of?

Don



 From: Donald Tate
To: Allen Petersen
Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2008 7:18 PM
Subject: Seeking Captain Tom Arrowsmith Armoured Corps

Dear Tom
 
I'm seeking you through the veteran network to advise you that the office of The Hon Dr Mike Kelly has advised me in a letter dated 22nd April that researchers from the AWM and ADF are unable to contact you. I advised them that you had made contact with me last December, but I neglected to take down your number or address. They are seeking further information about the 'edited-out' 2nd D&E Platoon from the official histories of the war, and are hoping you can shed some light on certain matters.
 
I can't understand why they can't locate you- given that they knew your address in 2005 when your MID was upgraded to a Medal of Gallantry- and the advice and medal had to have been sent somewhere. I don't want to alarm you- we have advised them that you were an excellent officer in all respects- an absolute credit to the Armoured Corps. Your command, your tactics, strategies etc etc were first class, and your medal was deserved. No question. We couldn't believe you only scored the MID in the first place, so were pleased to hear about the recent upgrade.
 
But there are a couple of points that need to be clarified. One of those relates to the "enquiry" conducted by a Major Pound in 1976: I know you were as astonished as the rest of us to learn that an 'enquiry' had been conducted into certain contentions raised by a Sapper Enright (and found to be baseless) but that neither any of the troopers or infantrymen from your command were called to give evidence. Nor you- which is even more startling, given that you were the OC. Given recent revelations (and photographic evidence) it seems that Major Pound might have made erroneous conclusions, and the enquiry may have to be re-opened.
 
You might also like to know that we are doing our best to secure a citation for our platoon leader- Cpl. Jim Riddle (yes, his 'corporal' rank is now confirmed). We are hoping that you might be able to assist with this- given that he led a section of men at the listening post, and most probably his actions in opening up a second 'front' saved your position from being over-run. We are hoping to achieve a medal for Jim Riddle- the equivalent of yours.That's all Tom. Nothing major. But time's of the essence now. You know that five of us are attending a meeting with The Hon Dr Mike Kelly in Canberra on the 28th May, and any assistance from you about any of these issues would be sincerely appreciated.
 
Kind Regards, Don Tate
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« Reply #27 on: Monday14December2009 »

REMLOC,

You will have my support here.





"You, Donny are a disgrace, and I will hopefully bring a “class action” against your continuous libel."
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« Reply #26 on: Monday14December2009 »

Bradley it's up to us mate to expose these wannabes and frauds, it's up to us to shut them down and it is up to us to make sure decent people no longer have to put up with the debauched threats and lies of the galahs. God helps those who help themselves. Only by having this website and forum can we expose the galahs for the dangerous imbeciles they are. Thank goodness for AVM.
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As you say Remloc these people are not just nuisances, they are bad bastards who will do anything to bring down the establishment and the system and to do this they will attack anybody and anything which stands in their way.

How much of a public nuisance/threat do these ratbags have to become before the authorities can put them away for a few years?    Huh
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« Reply #24 on: Monday14December2009 »

Remloc your comment about the galahs being jealous is spot on. I have always held that Corse, Briggs, Wiltshire, Tate and Keith Joyce, Brian McKenzie et al are very jealous of people like Bob Buick, Tennent, Blue Ryan, Cosgrove, Neil James,Ron King, Michael Jeffrey, Tim McCombe and, well the list goes on. It's all that simple to my way of thinking. Jealousy is indeed a curse, especially when it motivates madmen and women.

I have long held, which Remloc has alluded to, that a plan was hatched by these vile creatures to shut down and shut up several people who have a public presence and who try and do a decent job for the community.

I have seen one email in which a plot was hatched against one of the above who has been the target of their hate and cunning for over two years. However not content to attack the work these people have done in the military and Veteran community they deliberately targeted the private lives of many people.

As you say Remloc these people are not just nuisances, they are bad bastards who will do anything to bring down the establishment and the system and to do this they will attack anybody and anything which stands in their way. As faulty as our system is  and as much as we must monitor the behaviour of our politicians in particular our system is much better than living in Somalia or Zimbabwe! Just imagine what Australia would be like if the mad galahs were to run the country.
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From: remloc
To: admin@austvetmatters.net
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 12:30 PM
Subject: RE: AVM attacks.... THE CATALYST RESIDES IN YOUR "MAD GALAH" RANKS.


TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:

Regarding young Donny boys latest tripe, begging Jim Riddle’s son to put in a good word for him, please take note of the herein e-mail from Jim Riddle, back in December 2007. What would Tex Western say about this.  There are more e-mails!

My pursuit of you Donny boy will never cease.  Sucking up to a sick man’s son is dishonourable.  We will eventually sign off on this continued aggravation with Petersen acting as your mailman.  I will see you in Court, and hopefully in conjunction with other plaintiffs, in the form of a “class action!”

I have the full compilation of e-mails of how you Donny boy and Corse tried to set up Bob Buick, using me.  Remember Corse!

I refused to take part in obtaining his records so you completely dropped off me, and concentrated on Donny boy. I have a massive file of nothing but conjecture of Bob Buick’s part in Long Tan, and you should all be ashamed of yourself for attacking a war hero.  My attack was about one incident, and was disgraceful.  I can only ask for forgiveness.  Your bombardment is relentless; without foundation, just because you are jealous.   In fact most of your contentions are based on jealously.

I also have the e-mails of your further bad impressions of Donny boy, remember those EYES ONLY E-MAILS CORSE.

You said to wit:  “He is dangerous, but we will use Tate as required?”  Funny, I have never once seen you put your head anywhere near the chopping block Corse.  I will produce all those e-mails; all but the ones alleging atrocities, because that would be prejudicial, under the Evidence Act (Cth) 1995. In my lay opinion you have already prejudiced and thoroughly compromised those alleged “exhibit documents” per se, not to mention the “hearsay” and I cried author author!

Ted Colmer

LEST WE FORGET:

APC Callsign "Tango Alpha 84B" was hit by a RPG round at about 1025hours, 12 June 1971.  The RPG round hit the top edge of the APC and glanced off into an large ammo liner (mini-gun belted ammo).  The liner contained more then a dozen claymore mines and the lot blew up.  The blast KIA five D&E platoon, HQ Coy, 1 ATF diggers, three D&E diggers were WIA, one seriously.  The APS crew commander and driver were also KIA.  Photo supplied by Nev Haskett [1971] and details provided by Eddie

Does this attached pdf list of very fine and experienced infantry look sedentary to you!  Your quote “wannabe fraud.” Tate.

Donny boy,
I warned you about continuing to taunt me with inflammatory vicious and scathing derogatory remarks; prejudicial to your cowardly AVO ; War Crime allegation inter alia, so who is the “sobbing” little man Donny boy, scared of Teddybear.

You still haven’t explained why you are so exceptional Donny, since you have obtained ownership of a $40,000 motor vehicle, paid in full by the DVA. What about all the other severely wounded veterans, far more disabled and deserving than you?

Please explain your assertion, that you were an M60 Gunner in the glorious 2nd D & E Platoon Task Force [which is my expressed opinion of all D & E Platoons Task Force for the entire war].  They were part of a very special unit, previously expressed with explanation also ignored but now added for dissemination. You have done nothing but deride and castigate these men, including their attendance at FSPB: Coral/Balmoral, and very quickly and decisively assigned that e-mail of confirmation to the rubbish bin, didn’t you Petersen!   How dare you besmirch these gallant men at Coral/Balmoral.  I have attached the same exemplified platoon structure “nominal roll” of the Establishment Platoon: May – June 1969, under the command of 2nd Lt Mick Woolan MC, so now tell the world that these fine infantrymen look “sedentary” Donny.  I have every single castigating e-mail you have distributed.  Explain your heroism Donny, and compare your tour of duty to these fine men; especially since your self admission in circa: April 1969 [just one month before Thua Tich engagements] admitting that you had no idea of how to strip and assemble an M60 Machine Gun.  Obviously, you had no idea of how to strip and assemble an SLR either, since you always forgot to put the “bolt” back in your rifle.  I will say again that the following personnel were at the Listening Post /Active Ambush Position, from the 28 – 30 May 1969, with perhaps the exception of WO2 Ernie Hayden [who by Jim’s recall] made his way to our position on perhaps the 29 May 69. NOT YOU DONNY!  Ernie was certainly there on the night in question Donny the “dixie basher” Tate, back at the Dat.

PS:  AMBUSH LISTENING POST: 28 - 30 MAY 1969 AS FOLLOWS:

1. James "Jim" Bertram Riddle [Section Commander] comms
2. Dennis "Snow" Manski [2/ic & number: 2 on M60: 2]
3. Donald "Don" Moss [riflemen & number: 2 on M60: 1]
4. John Arnold [M60 Machine Gunner number: 1]
5. Michael "Mick" McAulay [Rifleman]
6. David Simpson [Rifleman on clackers]
7. Edward "Ted" Colmer [M60 Machine Gunner: 2]
8. Peter "Pedro" Allen [Rifleman]
9. WO2 Ernie Hayden [RA Inf] observer.

NO DON TATE AT THUA TICH LISTENING POST OR TA: 21;22 & 23

Now fully verified by qualification with all other members, including AWM Collection Photos.

Once again I have to defend not just the honour of D & E Platoon Task Force, but my own position within those ranks, following the repeated lies by Donny boy.

Do you recall my demands regarding your virulent attack on all D & E Task Force personnel for Vietnam, with particular emphasis to those men from FSPB: Coral/Balmoral, notwithstanding the men from the 1971 Platoon [see attached casualties]. I note a certain person recently described me as virulently insane? confirming that he could corroborate that claim by producing certain documentation.  I call for that documentation please! with an explanation of why Petersen’s involvement in the proceedings giving rise to Mr Mortan’s useless phone call has been covered up. Do you realise Mr Mortan named Petersen as the source of this introduction.

Do you recall this e-mail herein and others [referring to me as a virulently insane person] What is insane about demanding an apology for your appalling behaviour.


From: remloc
To: studiomartinek@bigpond.com
Cc: Allen J Petersen
Sent: Monday, 7 December 2009 9:09 AM

Subject: PUBLIC ATTACK ON THE FIGHTING EFFICIENCY [FE] OF D & E PLATOON TASK FORCE 1 ATF VIETNAM

Dear Ms Martinek & Don Tate.
I understand that you are the administrator of  www.peeonastick.net.au/index.php, and accepted receipt and publication of the following e-mails from Mr Don Tate.

DON TATE EXPRESSES AN OPINION

E-mails dated: 22 October & 24 October [2] 2009 respectively.

Libel:  A false and malicious publication printed for the purpose of defaming a living person.

With respect, please remove these grossly offensive and libellous e-mails publically displayed on your web site:

I have extensively researched almost all operational engagements of D & E Platoon Task Force, 1 ATF [including perusal of Roll books, collating all nominal rolls, and operational movements] during the course of the Vietnam war, and have to report that your public endorsement of Don Tate’s statements is civilly litigious, with perhaps? further evidence of "collateral malice" involving all those platoon members defamed.  Tate’s assertions are fallacious; libellous, and dishonourable.

I have extensive evidence supporting HQ Coy 1 ATF [Fwd] with 1 Troop, on the 25 April 1968 to Bearcat at YT1600, with further movement to FSPB: Coral; supported by the following generalised information:

LOG SHEETS G (Ops) HQ 1 ATF
Commanders’ Diary Narrative Cavalry
HQ Coy Posted Roll book May – June 68
OPS35 (OP TOAN THANG) Diary, dated 10 May 68

Situation; Mission ; Execution; Co-ordination; Administration and Logistics; Command & Signals, by Commander 1 ATF, Brigadier R. L. Hughes.

The annexures: OPS35 include Enemy Situation; Air Planning; AOs and Boundaries; Enemy Routes and Base Camps; LZ Layout for Fly In 12 May 68; Road Movement Tables*, inter alia.

The evidence I have collected verifying the presence of D & E Platoon Task Force is overwhelming primary evidence supporting their attendance at FSPB: Coral/Balmoral.

Donny Tate:

Please provide a public apology to all those D & E Platoon Task Force 1 ATF personnel maliciously maligned by this and those other comments forthwith..

PS: Please peruse attached pdf of Establishment: D & E Platoon Task Force May – June 69.  Does this list of infantry look sedentary to you!! Your statements are beyond inference Tate, causing my serious mental decline, and I demand a public apology forthwith.

This gentlemen is the e-mail that the pandering postman Petersen assigned to the rubbish bin, but disseminates and continues to disseminate traumatising and fallacious remarks about real warriors, like Bob “Bomber” Gibson et al.

[I have excused Maryann Martinek, because she didn’t act in bad faith and closed the site from public viewing. Damage already done, and I have downloaded your filthy assertions against brave infantrymen]

You attempted to take my identity for that period [as the sweat rag member] switching identities and erasing Jim’s memoirs [I have evidence of this fraud] and still continue to try and besmirch and  deny my existence, because your too gutless to produce a Stat Dec [Cth] 1959, KNOWING you will be in immediate breach of your declaration.  Forget about my memory and conjecture Donny boy, because I have the full support of every man from that ambush post; c/s: 63 ET AL, including preceding and proceeding contacts with that platoon.  Engagements that you took no part in because you weren’t there. Your drafted Stat Dec evidence November 2007 establish your wannabe fraud,  When I produce all the relevant evidence relating to that and other matters of motive to the authorities during the course of an investigative “record of interview” I will tender those transmissions and other documents, as the interview progresses, in accordance with the rules, and admissibility of the Evidence Act (Cth) 1995 inter alia, which is with propriety and the prudence accepted for admissibility purposes. You and your cohorts have already breached the rules of evidence and admissibility!

Until then, the bulk of my evidence will be kept strictly private until called upon to make that interview, with my proffering of the most relevant evidence in rebuttal, tendered during the course of my interview process.

You, Donny are a disgrace, and I will hopefully bring a “class action” against your continuous libel.


Here is another deleted by Petersen:
________________________________________
From: Barry Corse dragon8@iinet.net.au 

Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2007 5:21 PM

To: 'Jim Riddle'; 'remloc'; 'Dennis Manski D'

Subject: RE: your eyes only
________________________________________
From: Jim Riddle jimriddle311589@yahoo.com.au 
Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2007 3:01 PM
To: Barry Corse; remloc; Dennis Manski D
Subject: Fw: your eyes only

Don first sent this to me...  I responded with the below request..    Having seen the anger generated by this i wish it understood that i am no longer available for further comment.  i wish to have no further discussion regarding decorations.   Its all over now.    Thanks to all for supporting me in getting here/home. 

That's all folks.    Jim Riddle

----- Forwarded Message ----

From: Jim Riddle <jimriddle311589@yahoo.com.au>

To: Donald Tate warvet_69@yahoo.com

Sent: Tuesday, 4 December, 2007 12:20:43 PM
Subject: Re: your eyes only

G'day Don, .Regarding the citation...  Not my place to comment mate....  I will accept only that which is agreed and probably written by,  Ted Colmer and Dennis Manski, and with advice from Barry Corse and John Graham....   with no reference back to me for approval at all... It just can't happen that way.  Remember that you have stated on several occasions that you have only vague and scattered recall of the whole business, whereas the others have good recall.   If they are uncomfortable with the whole concept then i have no problem with dropping it all.

May I suggest that you send this whole email , as it is here, o those i have named, and don't approach me on any part of this medal biznez as it's inappropriate to discuss it with me. 

Like I'd prefer two of those sparkly star things that Jefferies wears, which look like Chrissie Decos.

Jim Riddle


----- Original Message ----
From: Donald Tate warvet_69@yahoo.com

To: Jim Riddle <jimriddle311589@yahoo.com.au>; Ted Colmer

Sent: Tuesday, 4 December, 2007 9:21:18 AM

Subject: your eyes only

Jim, I've been asked to write a citation for you- and then forward it to a particular person. I was asked to write it unemotively, and without unnecesary detail. It is attached. If you approve, I'll forward it on. If not, please advise any changes.

Regards, Don

And another explanation for a virulently insane person:

SAVE YOURSELF FROM A NIGHTMARE TATE:

My grievance is your relentless and vindictive attack on D & E Platoon Task Force in general.  Cavalry and Normie [great bloke] can look after themselves.  You have maliciously and repeatedly vilified this platoon without any substantive evidence, except some “hearsay” opinions allegedly expressed by Jim Riddle?  This is not evidence per se, that D & E Platoon Task Force 1 ATF consisted of what your have repeatedly described as “dixie bashers” not to forget more derogatory terms as quote: “ such as it was in the emu-bobbers platoon!!" and the D&E Platoons were made up of infantrymen who had been found wanting in the field, and best suited to dixie-bashing."

I provided a “snap shot” nominal roll of Mick Woolan’s Establishment Platoon for May – June 69 with no comments in reply?  You did say to wit: “D & E Platoon Task Force were sedentary?” I have all nominal rolls of D & E Platoon Task Force, except a few earlier on [some earlier Roll books are missing].  Like your 9 RAR allegations directed at someone? of throwing a trunk of documents overboard on HMAS Sydney? I’m sure the 9 RAR blokes are impressed by those assertions! But accordingly missing documents are either a result of clerical errors; lost documentation, as described with your assertions, with no clinical evidence of malicious “unauthorised destruction.” Some posted HQ Coy 1 ATF Roll books are missing.  Most are accounted for.  I am processing those nominal rolls for D & E Platoon Task Force [long arduous work compiling these documents correctly] in conjunction with operational engagements on a monthly Posted “roll book” and “AFV [Army Component] “auditing” basis, that concerns the balancing of ceiling manpower Establishment Staff/Personnel Tables & Establishment Authority [TW & E] Tropical Weapons and Equipment issue to ORBAT units; in compliance with Cabinet; then Liberal Party of Australia.


I noticed that definitive evidence of what D & E Platoon Task Force looks like on paper was arbitrarily dismissed by you and your pandering postman?  The same impressive list of infantry is consistent with all D & E Platoon Task Force,  1 ATF and allow me to explain something on strict laymen’s terms about reinforcement infantry accountability and rotation from Infantry Centre, Ingleburn et al to 1 ARU, to fwd positions:

Those members posted directly from 1 ARU to D & E Platoon Task Force, were posted directly as a consequence of a); balancing the manpower ceiling establishment quota AFV [Army Component] for ORBAT: 1 ARU, and Establishment [TW&E] and consequently HQ 1 ATF [both reinforcement riflemen “rotation” ORBAT Parent Units], in compliance with monthly “audits” regulations. D & E Platoon Task Force is a sub-unit [without distinct ORBAT], under the ORBAT of HQ 1 ATF, but nevertheless, HQ Coy 1 ATF ORBAT, encapsulated 3 [three] separate ORBAT units under its command: Detachment 198 Works Section RAE (Det 198 Wks Sect); Headquarters 1st Australian Task Force Light Aid Detachment (HQ 1 ATF LAD), and 1st Australian Task Force Detachment AFV Provost Unit (1 ATF Det AFV Pro Unit). The numerical Establishment for Officers; WOs/Sgts, and R & F remained fairly constant for both 1 ARU [119 personnel] and HQ 1 ATF [181 personnel].

And b); under the auspices of 1 ARU & HQ 1 ATF Establishment Personnel quotas & Authority [TW&E] Tropical Weapons and Equipment,  required a balancing act to ensure the numerical quantum for these Parent Units ORBAT, was not exceeded, unless allowances could be made for no more than fifty [50] reserves AFV [Army Component].  This accounts for the 2nd D & E Platoon Task Force, being "supernumerary" reserves; also accounting for the difficulty in obtaining weapons and equipment.
Consequently, only two M60 Machine guns were available, with both guns not really fully serviceable, accounting for my M60 consistently subject to blockages, especially during monsoon rains, eg; the ambush and extraction of c/s: 63, on the 25 May 69.  Consequently reinforcement riflemen subject to movement orders from Reinforcement Centre of Infantry Centre, Ingleburn et al, to 1 ARU, were subject to further rapid movement as required to HQ Coy 1 ATF, on a monthly “auditing basis” when battalions didn't require immediate reinforcements.  Maintaining strict accountability with numerical ORBAT Establishment, was critical. Following the usual acclimatisation period of approximately four weeks those "reos" were posted to HQ 1 ATF, in order to balance the strict “Cabinet” manpower ceiling AFV [Army Component] quotas, and those units respective Establishment Authority of TW & E.  These successive postings directly from 1 ARU to HQ Coy 1 ATF D & E Platoon Task Force sub-unit, had absolutely nothing to do with "soldiers found wanting" TATE.   That's what makes you such a mischievous and ignorant person.  You attack these soldier's ability with baseless information or knowledge.

Examination of such reinforcement riflemen listed with 1 ARU and HQ Coy 1 ATF Roll books, quantifies and qualifies the logistical requirements of such rapid and successive movement in compliance with Australian Military Forces, Military Board GS02 DSD [Plans, Policy and Mounting]. IT'S ALL ABOUT LOGISTICS, AND NOTHING TO DO WITH 'SOLDIERS FOUND WANTING' The composite nature of D & E Platoon, consisting of both experienced and inexperienced riflemen, is what made this platoon special, and always available for ready reaction operational tasking.

Otherwise, and except for your war wounds I have endured as much or if not more than anyone.  I have been fortunate not to suffer permanent physical trauma, but have nevertheless endured psychological trauma.  How do I carry on when I rarely make general comments?  It seems to me you are in the practice of almost continued vilification of someone with Vietnam veteran status.  I have already apologised to Steve Gower, with an explanation; also correcting my laymen’s assessment of  Establishment: 2nd  D & E Platoon Task Force. Hopefully those admissions negate my previous bad behaviour and belligerence.   Nonetheless, the 2nd D & E Platoon Task Force is still correctly validated, but certainly not on Establishment.  I take full responsibility for those perhaps “ignorant” mistakes, and if you read my proposal to the AVM you will note my rationale.

In relation to the AFP I don’t know what you are referring to.. I couldn’t give a “monkeys” about what the AFP are doing; or investigating in relation to Thua Tich or elsewhere..  You have delusions if you really think the AFP are interested in a bunch of old “geriatrics” accusing each other of war crimes.  Switching citations, and conspiracy theories from geriatric Ted Colmer’s of the world is laughable, and  wouldn’t even rate as office gossip. This particularly from a low class individual as you Donny boy, with absolutely no credibility at all.  Jim’s son is obviously being polite, so how about reconciling this with Tex Weston’s opinions and contempt for your abominable behaviour of Jim.

My opinion since then has changed completely.  I now fully understand the grievance of the AVM site, and the necessity to remove the likes of Petersen et al, and especially you Donny, having fully succeeded in accomplishing so much damage to the reputation of the Mad Galahs! and the Vietnam veteran community.

I am not saint and have never pretended to be, but I’m certainly not a “wannabe fraud” and have never thought of myself anything other than you average “baggy arse”   I saw more action in those next six months than you could have only imagined, in your “wannabe head” and will publicise everything to defend other comrades for 1969, and those other years. You are trying to project a theory that five of us were left over and posted onto the Establishment D & E Platoon Task Force, because we were unwanted by 9 RAR.   The following were posted on to D & E Platoon Task Force:

L/Cpl Len Ellcombe [should have been cited for an MID, following the attempted ambush of our column on Friday the 30 May 69 enroute: 328 to Xuyen Moc.   Of course you wouldn’t know about that.  No babies or civilians were killed, as alleged.  8 NVA were KIA that afternoon, with two by Len Ellcombe.  Len stood on top of the APC and killed two NVA [84 Rear Services] with my M60 and M16 [one handed] held firmly by Brian “Jock” Rennie RIP. The NVA Captain was killed by Len trying to board the APC, with a pistol.  Len dispatched the other with a full magazine of M16 to the face. You forget Len and I were  great friends, during Vietnam, which continued throughout the 1970s in Manly [Len was very disturbed even then]. During that period I was with the NSW Police Prosecuting Branch, and later transferred to the Federal Narcotics Bureau. State wise to Federal for superannuation purposes.  I haven’t forgotten what you publically uttered about my employment sacrifice to this country.
L/Cpl Richard Howie also transferred directly to the Establishment D & E Platoon Task Force. Rick followed from 5 Pl B Coy 4 RAR, and was a very matured extremely experienced rifleman, serving with SAS. Rick and Len were almost immediately promoted to section commanders with D & E Platoon Task Force, because 26 of the listed men were due for RTA: May; June 7 July, and experienced riflemen and NCOs were urgently required.

Ted Colmer Posted on to D & E Pl “as above” remaining gunner, then 2/ic and section commander.  Your theory is flawed without comprehension.  Once I provide the contacts over the next six months 1969, you will eat your words.

David Simpson:  Listening post Thua Tich, and very capable and experienced rifleman.

Dennis McGreggor:   The same and very quiet bloke with Scottish heritage.  NCO potential.

Total five posted onto D& E Platoon Task Force, and I certainly didn’t make that request.

So what are you trying to do, put me and these gallant men on the shit kicking list!  I was a section commander at 19.  I recently had my forward scout around for lengthy discussions.  We spoke about all the contacts.  I’m no hero, and have never projected myself anything other than your average ”baggy arse”  Certainly not and never interested in medals… My son has multiple problems, which accounts for most of my aggro.  Take me on at your own peril Tate!!

You talk the talk Don, but can you actually walk the walk [no pun intended].  I will meet you and your hero mates anywhere at anytime.
In conclusion, I didn’t appear for Adam Rainford’s film or the ABC, because I instinctively smelt a big “advertising” fat rat.

Jim Riddle had extreme concerns.  We spoke constantly before the filming and met after the occasion on the south coast with Kevin. Your treatment of Jim was abominable!!  I note you still refer to his alleged memoirs?  Do you realise his opinion of you!
As for crawling back in my hole watch out Tate, that I don’t strike you like a trapdoor spider.  Don’t presume to underestimate me Tate! My motto is to win at all costs!  Take that to your legal team.

I still expect an apology for the derision of D & E Platoon Task Force.

Complainant: Ted Colmer
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D & E Platoon Task Force June – Dec 69 [Machine gunner; 2/ic, & section commander]

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From: Allen Petersen petersaj@bigpond.net.au
Sent: Saturday, 12 December 2009 2:36 PM
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Subject: AVM attacks....


From: Donald Tate
To: Allen Petersen ;
Sent: Saturday, 12 December 2009 11:22 AM
Subject: AVM attacks....
 
Apparently my letter concerning the events of May 29th have unsettled a few folk.
 
Some are attacking me for doing so from the maggot pile- I can only guess they are the same sort of excuses for men who wouldn't report child abuse or who bash their wives.  Gutless cowards.  Wimps.
 
Then, apparently, there are those pussies out there (according to Colmer) who are so over-wrought that someone has said we did naughty things in the war, they've had to go sobbing to psychiatrists!
 
Poor dears. Shore up that old PTSD, eh?
 
Well, piss-ants, I've got news for you- it's water off a duck's back. And the fat lady still ain't singing!
Don Tate


From: Geordie Riddle
Subject: Re: your father..Jim
To: "Donald Tate" warvet_69@yahoo.com
Received: Saturday, 12 December, 2009, 3:58 PM
 
 Hello again Don,
 
I have spoken to the old fart. He still has the utmost respect for yourself and tells me that he has NOT rubbished you to anyone.
I think that when you get a chance you should drop him a line. He would appreciate it. Here are his contact details….(snip)
 
________________________________________
I think that says it all, and I have nothing more to add.
Those sad bastards, Tom Douglas and Ted Colmer, have found themselves a home in the AVM pig-pen. They will be made welcome by the maggot.
It’s the den of LIARS!
Don Tate
 
 
From: Donald Tate
To: Allen Petersen
Sent: Sunday, 13 December 2009 6:55 AM
Subject: MORE AVM BULLSHIT...Don Tate and Jim Riddle

  To the stupid, the ignorant, the gullible, and the ostriches in the veteran community: This is how the AVM works……

            It's a recognised fact that a shit-pile attracts blowflies and maggots that make their home in it. The AVM is such a thing- run by a well-known maggot with the support of significant figures within the military 'establishment- men who apparently share that maggot's fascination with children. 

            It's structure is quite revealing: links with dodgy ESO’s led by men barely capable of stringing two words together; utilising a few snarling dogs with skeletons in the closet, including a self-confessed murderer and a thief who stole from his own mates; and subscribed to by an assortment of ‘armchair generals’ (all combat troops apparently) who haven’t got the courage to put their own names to an email lest their service be scrutinised.
 
            That Ted Colmer (in all his guises) is their new, star recruit tells you all you need to know about the AVM’s credibility. Hello…earth to Ted…..!

            I don’t access the site myself- others are monitoring it, and some filters back to me. But for legal reasons, I have to read some of its comment- and provide comment of my own to a law firm. I do so again, here, but will make this comment public, since it involves my relationship with a man I have a great deal of respect for- Jim Riddle.

Comments ‘supposedly’ made by Jim Riddle, concerning me:

            Two of the AVM contributors, Ted Colmer, and a former section-commander of mine from 10 Pl 4 RAR (Tom Douglas) have stated that Jim Riddle privately bagged me to them.   There is no way of verifying that of course. It’s the cowardly way of the AVM.

            Anyone can say anything they want about any other veteran (unless it’s a protected species) without proof- and there’s little the victim can do about it except jump and down a little. Mind you, some will learn the hard way that public comment- even from the sanctity of a pseudonym will prove costly.

            “D371” is just one about to learn that the hard way.

            But, I digress.

            Back to the comments made by Jim Riddle…..his supposed comments, that is, to Tom Douglas and Ted Colmer.

            First up though, here’s what Jim Riddle actually said to me, in a series of emails between 2005 and 2007. He always had kind words to say. Here are some extracts:

•     “I can read a whole mountain of pain in your eyes, mate.  You are certainly changed. No-one should go through the sort of stuff you've suffered, and certainly not a person who was, as I recall, a bloody decent and laid back youth.  Someone owes you a huge apology. The guy I knew was a young dreamy kid with a shy smile who kept us all laughing in the worst of times.”

•     “I so well recall the most cheerful bloke in Vietnam . Mate you were a life saving diamond. I honestly felt that you were the only sane thing there.”

•     “I have so many recalls of you my old pal that I could and would, love to write a book about them. BUT would you feel insulted? That would not be the intention ‘cos I thought you were absolutely indispensable to any outfit I served in. As a matter of fact you were well loved by every one, wherever you went.”

•     “I have to admit, you were more interesting than, say, ten others, ‘cos you could, I don't know, like bring sunlight when we were slumped. NO- ONE ever stayed slumped when you were there.”

•     “I would love to add a few lines on the other blokes who were there, but Don, for the life of me I can only recall you, and Snow Manski, and Big Ernie in any sort of detail. What can I say about you? Well you didn't do anything wrong that time, but I will have to go into more detail about you because you were definitely a character of ‘high esteem'. My kids grew up listening about Don 'Stumbles' Tate as bed-time stories. I asked them recently what they recall about you, and they said straight away that you were the best bloke I ever talked about!”

            So those were Jim’s private words to me.

            And to hear that Tom Douglas and Ted Colmer have made statements to the contrary, amused me.
            Not so much those of Colmer- because he’s just a sad, excuse for a human being. And the least space spent on him, the better.

            But Douglas - well, that’s a different story. Here was a man I had always respected. Until, I put the missing bolt matter into perspective many years later, and realised that any section-commander who’d make me the scout with a useless rifle made him an even stupider man than I ever was.

            What sort of ‘leader’ compromises the safety of his scout and his platoon to make a point? And then compounds it by making that young bloke run three laps of the Horseshoe in full battle dress in that terrible heat as additional ‘punishment’.

            I’ve met officers who know of that incident who say they would’ve charged me, and thrown the book at HIM. Especially given the fact that Douglas was aged about 26 at the time, had been to Borneo and Malaya with the battalion- and was so good a soldier, so experienced, that he’d risen to the dizzy heights of….well, a corporal!
            One rank above me!

            Yep…good old Tommy Douglas, fearless leader of men.

            And I’d thought he was God. The same bloke who didn't lift a finger to assist Jim Riddle's repatriation to Australia- but who rushed to his side when a media opportunity arose when he arrived in Sydney. (I chose NOT to.)

            But, I digress again……..back to the gist of this matter…..and the statements by Colmer and Douglas that Riddle ridiculed me in private.

            When I read about the, I asked myself- what could I do about it?

            The answer was simple, as it always is. Go direct to the source- Jim Riddle.

            So I wrote his son, Tony. This was the exchange:


 From: Donald Tate
To:
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:28 AM
Subject: your father..Jim

G'day mate

I've got a favour to ask...

In 2005, I received many emails from your father, Jim, and always he had something nice to say about me. (I have kept them, and included a couple in my book.) You would be aware that my respect for him carried over to organising a special plaque in his honour here in Australia .

But lately, two others who know Jim (Tom Douglas and Ted Colmer) have come out and stated that Jim rubbished me in private to them. This is very embarrassing for me if it's true.

Now...I think very highly of your father, and I'd be very interested if you asked him straight out has he been guilty of that, and perhaps you could ask him-

What was his real opinion of me?

And then let me know, eh?

Much appreciated, and I trust all is well with him.

Don Tate

This was the reply from TonyRiddle:
 
Re: your father..Jim

Tuesday, 8 December, 2009 1:00 AM
From:
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"Donald Tate" warvet_69@yahoo.com
 
Hi Don
Thanks for the email. My Dad has always spoken highly of you. I will ask him next time I see him. …Tony
And he followed it up with:

From: Geordie Riddle

Subject: Re: your father..Jim

To: "Donald Tate" warvet_69@yahoo.com
Received: Saturday, 12 December, 2009, 3:58 PM

Hello again Don,
I have spoken to the old fart. He still has the utmost respect for yourself and tells me that he has NOT rubbished you to anyone. I think that when you get a chance you should drop him a line. He would appreciate it. Here are his contact details….(snip)

I think that says it all, and I have nothing more to add.

Those sad bastards, Tom Douglas and Ted Colmer, have found themselves a home in the AVM pig-pen. They will be made welcome by the maggot.
It’s the den of LIARS!
Don Tate

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Naaa,   little donny "Judas" tate

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Judas Tate is once again turning some one else's words to suit himself.  Paul Coleman finished his tour with 3 Cav on 13 May 1969 before the Thua Tich ambush so his comments on "bodies being dragged" is hearsay only.  On a separate point Judas Tate is claiming the KIA's as his "own" no memntion is made of the 20 odd heavy machine guns, mortars, claymores being used together with choppers.

However, we must remember Judas Tate volunteered for the Army, Vietnam and as a replacement.  This makes Judas Tate a hero, particularly as he was wounded.

Pity about the thousands that did not volunteer for the Army, Vietnam etc and came home wounded and then returned to their civilian employment.  They did not complain like Judas Tate.

Keep a life Donny Boy you are a winger who, I believe, may have picked up some of his parents erratic attributes.  We know you were not there at Thua Tich
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How about we just call him "young donny boy" instead. Tongue
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A Weakness found

donny does not want to be call donny


"don't call me 'Donny' again, "


Bad luck  donny

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AVM SAYS.
Tate, Wiltshire and Corse are evil warped and delusional grubs. Tate this email of yours [below ] provides NO proof that atrocities occurred at Thua Tich and between Thua Tich and Xuyen Moc or in Xuyen Moc in May/June 1969. Coleman makes no reference to the scandalous lie you are trying to perpetrate against decent Vietnam Veterans. Why is Tate refusing to say he was part of the night ambush at Thua Tich on 29 May 30 May 1969? Simple. He can't provide any Stat Dec stating he was part of that ambush because he would be guilty of falsifying a Stat Dec. Penalty includes imprisonment. The atrocity allegations are a red herring. The real issues are. Tate was not part of the ambush at Thua Tich. Tate stole the recollections and evidence of those who were there to write a fictional book. Tate has hidden his incompetence as a Soldier while a member of 4 RAR. Tate has lied and lied and lied and done his utmost to denigrate, defame and abuse anybody who gets in his way while making money, bragging of false heroism and trying to prove he and he alone sufferred as a result of the Vietnam War. Tate you are a filthy vile lying germ.

PS  what lies did you tell to con a $40,000 motor vehicle out of the Department of Veterans Affairs?

Oh and those who support this terrible trio and who peddle their filth and lies are no better. Read Terry Westerway, Allen Petersen, Bernie McGurgan, Brian McKenzie, Keith Joyce, Maryann Martinek, Jenny Bell.


From: xxxxxxx
To: admin@austvetmatters.net
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:23 PM
Subject:  Fw: Revelations about 'engineer's burials' from an Armoured Corps officer


Tate is trying to use a "maybe" and a "I can't be certain" to suport his arguments. Paul Coleman doesn't support TATES lie!

 Paul does say he knew "Engineers Burials" did happened, but it cost explosives, and not every one was willing to give up their Claymores or grenades.  Screw a car around a few times in a ditch and you get a hole big enouth for five men to lay in. Been there done that TATE you trying to piss in the pockets of educated and inteligent men you Drongo. No wonder you never got into xxxxxx.

Also there had been arguments over the practise of dragging bodies. That it did actualy happen at Thua Tich is crap! Tate is full of shit. He never was at the ambush and only learnt about it the day after. Why the hell would any ranked man take in a liability to an ambush like that? It would be like playing Russian' roulette with a Nine Mill Auto.

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Wiltshire

To: Steve.Gower ; Office of the Minister of Veterans Affairs ; Bob Baldwin.MPLib Shadow Min Def Science & Pers ; Mike Kelly AM MP ALP The Hon. Dr Parliamentary Se ; Louise MarkusMP ; Attorney-General The Hon Robert McClelland MP ; AFP AFTER HOURS Nat ; Harry Jenkins MPALP Scullin Speaker House of Reps ; Wilson.Tuckey MP ; Bob Buick ; fla; cmt; Neil James ; Keith Tennent ; Brian Fisher ; Pete Edwards ; Barry Hollitt ; Ken Taylor_KRT1_maggot AVM ; Ray Causer VIC Police ; Bob Ca

Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 3:20 AM

Subject: Fw: Revelations about 'engineer's burials' from an Armoured Corps officer

From: Donald Tate
Date: 11/12/2009 8:59:48 PM
To: Allen Petersen
Cc: tjimw1@iprimus.com.au;  Bernie;  Barry Corse
Subject: Revelations about 'engineer's burials' from an Armoured Corps officer

Veterans
For a long time, I have been in possession of an email from a former senior officer of the Armoured Corps- Paul Coleman. It was sent to Ted Colmer, in confidence- and Colmer sent it to me.

In it, Paul provides specific detail regarding how the events of late May may have unfolded, and an explanation of how the Armoured Corps usually operated.

Of most importance is his statement that as a senior officer, he was aware that "engineer's burials" DID occur in relation to the operations of the armoured corps (for pragmatic reasons) and also states that he was aware of an incident that had occurred previously when "bodies had been dragged" behind APC's.

I have been reluctant to make the letter public (for Paul's sake) but given the animosity against me concerning the recent revelations about what happened at Thua Tich on May 30th, I thought it was about time to do so.

However, I thought the right thing to do was to ask Paul's permission to do so first- and he gave me that permission today.
He is one officer not lacking courage, and I salute him for that. The letter follows:

From: Paul Coleman

To: 'remloc'

Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:52 AM

Subject: RE: the 2nd D&E Platoon YOUR PRIVACY IS RESPECTED

 

Hello Ted, 

During my time as ADC the commanders group consisted of the Commander, the SO2 Int, the ADC, the commanders signaller and driver (for close protection) In my time with Sandy Pearson he never travelled without the SO2Int, all his operational decisions were based on Paul DeCure's advice. Again during my time the SO2 Ops (David Chinn) never accompanied the commander as his job was to mind the "shop" at HQ 1ATF. To the best of my recollection Chinn was not present that day.   

I was not privy to the detail of the planning but I was always generally aware of what was going on. My job was to look after the commanders daily itinerary, his movement and security and in the circumstances I was flat out all the time just keeping up with the constant changes to each day as they unfolded.   

The rapid deployment of 2 troop would most likely have been based on intelligence from a number of sources including the SAS and Sigint. It was not unusual for such an operation to be conducted by the 3 Cav HQ and, under such circumstances, "seagull' would, in all likelihood, have been the Sqn Comd Major Ron Rooks. I honestly cannot remember if Ron Rooks accompanied us that morning but logic would say that, as it was his operation, he could well have been on the Commanders chopper (Albatross 05) that morning. His HQ was only 100m from the chopper pad.   

I am aware that "engineer" funerals did occur, particularly when people were short of time and had to move on quickly. Except for the major actions there were certainly no battlefield burial parties and the smaller independent ops had to make do. During my time in 2 troop we always returned bodies to the closest RF/PF post. Nobody liked carrying them inside the vehicles, as we had to sleep inside, and carrying them on the trim-vane was most unpleasant for the driver; so movement of bodies was always a problem (if they were particularly badly knocked about by .50cal they were difficult to pick up) There had been a row previously when bodies had been dragged behind vehicles; so it was a difficult situation that remained unresolved..   

I see on a separate email that we now have a contact number for Tom Arrowsmith; I am confident that he support your case.     

kind regards, 

Paul   

I make the note that the events of May 30th are now being validated by a cross-section of veterans- and not just by a couple of alienated ex-infantrymen.

And I will say this again- if the exact military truth had been lodged at the outset, and if the 2nd D&E Platoon hadn't been 'edited-out' of the history books for all these years, sleeping dogs would still be sleeping.

Cheers
Don Tate
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For AWM DIRECTORS, and current and past Ministers for DVA; Ministers for Defence, including Bruce Scott; and Chiefs of Army and Defence?:

To whom does the Veteran Community owe the above disgraceful dishonour - and everything that has stemmed from it?
And by the way: It's long past time you produced the missing Roll Books. You know, the Missing Roll Books for every Inf Bn throughout the entire Vietnam War. Those documents that you and AGS spent over 14 months threatening and besieging Ted Colmer over till you literally beat him to a mental frazzle just because he made a stock standard every day legitimate Research Request for them, then turned it into an FOI request when you foolishly denied it. Yes, duckies, I do have ALL the supporting documentation. And it's not over.

Regards,
Jim Wiltshire 107 Phillips St Wodonga 3690. 02 6024 1079
 
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ADMIN RECEIVED THE FOLLOWING AND WE PUBLISH AS IS, UNEDITED AND IN FULL. There is a little coarse language

From: remloc [Ted Colmer ]

To: 'remloc' ; Alan.Griffin.MP ; Allen J Petersen ; Barry CORSE ; jennie.george ; mike.kelly ; R.McClelland.MP ; Steve.Gower; bill.rolfe ; nswombo ; ork1gerpolice.nsw; admin@austvetmatters.net
 
Cc: Angus.Houston ; "'Greg.Combet.mp'"@mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au ; senator.Johnston
 
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:42 PM

Subject: RE: THE CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY OF MESSRS: BARRY CORSE; DON TATE AND JIM WILTSHIRE, FROM THE "MAD GALAH MOVEMENT" UNDER BOTH FEDERAL & STATE LAW

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:

Petersen continues to disseminate these e-mails Australia wide, for the purpose of silencing me regarding their allegations of WAR CRIMES VIETNAM.  Hoping I commit suicide!

Note the manipulation by choosing one sarcastic e-mail; illustrating the lunacy of this person TATE.   So what does Petersen proceed do?

He takes this one “metaphorically” quipped e-mail to try and singularly “slam dunk” me, without connecting the preceding threads, that I am now forced to disseminate.

Go for it you reckless bunch of cowards: MAD GALAHS

You have accused me Nationwide of matters that are fabricated and distorted.  For that Tate, I will die, but not without my revenge.

You; Petersen; Corse and Wiltshire are scum, so sue me!!  The Vic Police said you were a nut case Wiltshire! I agree.

PS: When I release the massive dossier of e-mails and documentation from 2007 you won’t be laughing! 

Ted Colmer
 

From: Allen Petersen petersaj@bigpond.net.au
Sent: Friday, 11 December 2009 1:08 PM
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Subject: Fw:The madman- Ted Colmer

From: Donald Tate

To: ork1ger@police

Sent: Friday, 11 December 2009 6:29 AM

Subject: the madman- Ted Colmer

To Whom It Concerns:

Below, is a continuation of the abuse and defamation by Ted Colmer. On this occasion it was sent to a fellow veteran (Allen Petersen).

From: remloc

To: Allen J Petersen

Sent: Thursday, 10 December 2009 6:41 PM

Subject: RE: THE CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY OF MESSRS: BARRY CORSE; DON TATE AND JIM WILTSHIRE, FROM THE "MAD GALAH MOVEMENT" UNDER BOTH FEDERAL & STATE LAW

Ensure the Police are very very early tomorrow Tate, because I’m going away for weeks?? Hahahahahaha.  I’m a full blown nut job alright!!

I’m actually going to visit an old friend in WA? OR WAS IT JUPITER – SOMEWHERE OUT THERE.

Worked together in Narcs

Did you know I was accused of murdering Brian Alexander… Read can of worms II more fully Hahahaha..   I sincerely hope your daughter can find another career.  I always persevere Donny boy.   Can’t you find a section commander….Dixie bashers never can.

Have a long and enjoyable life Donny boy [spastic cunt]….Give my regards to your pogo mate and Corse.
 

I think this also needs to be added to the collective information about Ted Colmer. This madman is a danger to society.

Any responsible person reading his emails over a long period of time would realise that this 'man' (excuse the term) is well and truly in command of his faculties when he writes his letters- though he does use legalese, loosely, in an attempt to show the world what a knowledge of the law he has. Or what an ass he is, because most who read them, laugh at him.

Ted Colmer is a coward of the worst kind- never physically wounded in war, who uses his PTSD as a tool for poor behaviour. He can abuse threaten, defame, accuse and vilify from the supposed safety of a psychological safety net. And he calls me a coward.

 
I do not need to reiterate the traumas I have experienced in my own life, but I don't hide behind the old PTSD shield. I speak in public. I have raised five fine children (one of whom is also Asperger's); I have given of myself to the community through sports coaching; I have assisted intellectually disabled children in tree-planting exercises in schools, built a commemorative walk, and built a fine cricket facility at Albion Park Rail, and so on. The Australian Sports Medal awarded in 2000 was evidence that I have enriched the world.


Whereas this Colmer....a train wreck of a man if ever there was one, has done nothing whatsoever except hide in the back room of his house, estranged from society at large. He emerged from the darkness to assist in proving the existence of the 2nd D&E Platoon- then turned himself into the platoon's hero, involving himself in every major contact with the enemy, whereas in fact, as he states in another email in my possession, he didn't even know the composition of his infantry section on most days, and couldn't remember certain traumatic events (which he blamed on PTSD)...The trouble is- he has made himself out to be the fount of all knowledge in this matter- and others believe it.
 

When I asked him why he wasn't more dishevelled after the ambush at the listening post (where he was supposedly the machine-gunner) he replied..."look at my dirty fingernails!".

Hmmmm.

I expect that the NSW Police must opine that his threats against me contained in a previous letter already in the hands of the police satisfy that part of the Criminal Code (Telecommunications Act) which deals with 'menacing" others via electronic means.

 
Then- there will follow actions by my own lawyer.

As to the claim my daughter accessed any police records- again, a baseless and vicious lie by a disturbed, vicious little man. I wouldn't have asked her to do so- and she would never have acceded to any such request anyway. 

There is a web site run by a paedophile (Keith Tennant of Rockhampton) which also vilifies veterans. The fact thatColmer contributes to it, says much more about him.

Don Tate
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From: remloc [Ted Colmer ]
Sent: Friday, 11 December 2009 10:04 AM

To: 'remloc'; Alan.Griffin.MP; Allen J Petersen; Barry CORSE; jennie.george..gov.au; mike.kelly; R.McClelland.MP; Steve.Gower; 'bill.rolfe; 'nswomboau'; 'ork1ger@policensw
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Cc: 'Angus.Houston; 'Greg.Combet.mp; 'senator.Johnston

Subject: RE: THE CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY OF MESSRS: BARRY CORSE; DON TATE AND JIM WILTSHIRE, FROM THE "MAD GALAH MOVEMENT" UNDER BOTH FEDERAL & STATE LAW
Importance: High

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:  LAST OF EMAILS!

This is the unmistakeable character of both Don Tate and Allen Petersen.

Petersen is now disseminating all this information Australia wide as the “postman” for Corse and Wiltshire, fully realising that his motives will eventually result in my suicide.

Petersen Tate; and cohorts Corse and Wiltshire are desperately trying to silence me with any  form of coercion, and influence because I want to honestly protect the integrity of not just my Vietnam veteran comrades, but the Australian Military Forces AFV [Army Component]  1969.

Isn’t it possible to charge these people with criminal conspiracy since they have maliciously pushed me to the edge of suicide with a joint “common purpose.’ Quite evident by the series of taunts, and aggravation compiled, with evidence of their “common purpose!” motive to silence me.

Don Tate has taken an AVO out against me yet continues to taunt; harass and aggravate my condition to this suicidal point [I haven’t been served] with Petersen disseminating Australia wide.

These Mad Galahs “swine “ are treacherous to this Nation.

The e-mail herein, speaks for itself.

In April 1969 Don Tate couldn’t even strip and assemble an M60 machine gun. So are we to believe his self asserted involvement in these dramatic engagements of the 29 May 69, as he continues to allege? I reiterate that Don Tate was not at Thua Tich on these relevant dates.

Edward William Colmer
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From: remloc [Ted Colmer ]

Sent: Friday, 11 December 2009 2:10 AM
To: 'Allen Petersen'
Subject: RE: my servicewith 4RAR

Donny boy,

So let me get this right considering that I’m not very lucid, and crazy as a meat axe, especially with your continual and relentless aggravation causing further exacerbated stressors to my chronic PTSD and major depression; along with your pandering postman’s aggravation, who at the first hint of covering his “duty of care” arse, I mean concern about my “suicidal ideations” rings the VVCS ACT, who wouldn’t even take notes on the matter?
 

What a pretence of caring for veterans’ mental health!  Your worse than the AVM ever could be, and I refute the authoring of those e-mails, because I have checked my archives and they are manufactured by you Tate. Same, same as Jim’s memoirs.  They have been altered.  Jim had concerns about this occurring.  You would be surprised by my observations of the subtle changes I have noted, against his original text.
 

Sorry, I mean Donny boy?  How rude I am. Getting back to the point, so you’re saying as of April 69 in theatre with 4 RAR, you had no idea of how to strip and assemble an M60 Machine Gun?  Hello!!!  Infantry training battle wing stuff Donny boy.
 
To be quite honest Donny I was trying to get some sleep, because I’m off very early today.

I realise the source of your info Donny, from your last book tour.  I know this woman, a real dirt bag and actual paedophile.  Did you XXXX this ugly bitch?

I’m still guessing your daughter accessed COPS, so we will see?  I know what’s on COPS about me, so you info is contrived.  We will see what pans out, because my wife is severely distressed over your allegations disseminated Australia wide.  I will enforce your AVO Donny, because I wouldn’t want to see you have a heart attack.

PS: I notice that you and Allen are using the same tactics as AVM…Can’t you think of something more original than this “verbalised” format, in between some alleged notation of e-mails…It’s rather pathetic copying other forums ideas, so try something more amusing.

Teddybear  [some people call that]  By the way I didn’t coin the word Mad Dog, and the AVM are now calling you a Mad Dog, so there!

Edward William Colmer
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From: Allen Petersen petersaj@bigpond.net.au
Sent: Friday, 11 December 2009 1:25 AM
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Subject: Fw: my servicewith 4RAR

From: Donald Tate

To: pclayton@westnet.com.au ; apriced4 ; brian holborow ; Bernie ; Allen Petersen ; garry heskett

Sent: Thursday, 10 December 2009 6:35 PM

Subject: my servicewith 4RAR

To finalise the assertion that I didn't serve with 10 Platoon 4RAR, I attach two photographs:

1. The first was taken with Pte Brian Holborow and Pte Peter Margetts (both 10 Platoon) on Operation Overlander sometime in April 1969. Holborow was probably teaching us how to dismantle the M60 since I didn't get to use one before I went there!

 

2. And at a re-union of 10 Pl members in the 1990's.....others include: Brian Holborow (far left at back); Gary Winchester; Tom Douglas (with no medals), and Dick Foster, left, on knees (now deceased)...I think one other is 'Mousey' Bunker at far right, in front, but I could be wrong. I am in the grey coat at far right. If I hadn't served with them, I don't think they'd have let me stand with them!

How much distress did that cause me- having to prove that I served with them?

I'd like to thank Zunt Morrison, Brian Holborow, Greg Foley, Garry Heskett, Gary Winchester, and Peter Margetts for helping me do so.

And that should settle that!

Don Tate
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See

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From: remloc
 
Sent: Thursday, 10 December 2009 8:33 PM

To: 'remloc'; Alan.Griffin.MP; Allen J Petersen; Barry CORSE; jennie.george.mp; mike.kelly; R.McClelland.MP;

Steve.Gower; 'bill.rolfe; 'nswombo; 'ork1ger police.

Cc: 'Angus.Houston; 'Greg.Combet.mp; 'senator.Johnston

Subject: RE: THE CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY OF MESSRS: BARRY CORSE; DON TATE AND JIM WILTSHIRE, FROM THE "MAD GALAH MOVEMENT" UNDER BOTH FEDERAL & STATE LAW

 

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:

I have carefully read this alleged e-mail and can only respond with profound regrets and sorrow, and that I was inebriated; enraged, and if I did make these stupid unqualified statements at all, they have no foundation or factual merit, because they are full of flaws, and driven by my inebriation and lack of proper medication.

I am ashamed of this correspondence, and sincerely apologise to all AWM personnel and Commanders.   These statements apparently made by me are appalling and totally incorrect, without foundation.
 

I have admitted to almost “black out” inebriated episodes of stupidity, with explosive correspondence not worth paper it is written.


Nothing in this personal e-mail has any validity, which is corroborated by my more recent research understanding, when I am sober, with my current, more successful medication regime administered and monitored by psychiatrist Dr xxxxxxxxxx.
 

I am now far more rational and focused, realising the correspondence [if written by me] is baseless drunken rubbish.
 

I am however in a desperate state of despair, and will hospitalise myself for urgent treatment.

I’m therefore hostile to any validation of this correspondence, so consider my response to it as absolutely adverse at law, with foundation.

This is the dangerous and scheming deranged nature of this “perverse” and sick person? Don Tate…  A very calculating cunning evil person, that knows nothing about truth or the law.

Please accept my sincere apologies again for the nonsensical construction and rationale of this personal e-mail – never acted on.

 

Edward William Colmer

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From: remloc

Sent: Thursday, 10 December 2009 7:51 PM

To: 'remloc'; Alan.Griffin.MP; Allen J Petersen; Barry CORSE; jennie.george.mp; mike.kelly; R.McClelland.MP; Steve.Gower; 'bill.rolfe; 'nswombo; 'ork1ger police.nsw.

Cc: 'Angus.Houston; 'Greg.Combet.mp; 'senator.Johnston

THE CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY OF MESSRS: BARRY CORSE; DON TATE AND JIM WILTSHIRE, FROM THE "MAD GALAH MOVEMENT" UNDER BOTH FEDERAL & STATE LAW

 

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:

Mr Gerry Orkin, Southern Region DV Coordinator, NSW Police Service Wollongong, NSW

Please refer to paragraph: 10, Mr Orkin and make the following enquiries regarding the illegal and unjustified use of COPS data base, by Don Tate’s daughter, or similarly by a Police Service comrade, where she is employed.  I will send the offending e-mails distributed by Don Tate, as attachments; tomorrow, the 11 December 2009, personally!

There is nothing remotely compelling about that e-mail Tate. I note however the fabricated and irrelevant nature of this e-mail I am accused of authoring, and just like most other matters Don Tate has submitted, or rearranged like his web site, “verballing” Jim Riddle’s memoirs, this email is partly fabricated; with no evidentiary value; meaningless in law, and totally inadmissible in a court of law. 
 

Don Tate is an unmitigated coward and blatant liar, detested throughout the Vietnam veteran community; asserting vile allegations against an old war hero: Major General CMI Pearson, following an impeccable life long career in the Military, with Don “hate” Tate wanting to destroy this man’s last few years with this vile filth and slander, for the purpose of book sales and bloody spite.  Peruse this person’s allegations, and realise what a loathsome creature he is.
 

Otherwise, I admit to overreacting with certain correspondence [further to this] and will tender everything in my possession, and can only apologise to the authorities for bad judgement calls, premised on my enragement at the time.  Anything that I have alleged to utter by personal correspondence, that even remotely corroborates this person? and his heinous allegations is regretful without foundation or any law credibility, and I will make those matters clear when I submit the full “mass collection” of e-mails correspondence from Tate; Corse and Wilshire, together with a consented “record of interview” by the AFP, and more importantly the mass tendering of documents written by Don Tate, and his cohorts; verifying my rebuttal of these vicious and despicable allegations against Vietnam veterans and the Defence Force AFV [Army Component] 1969 etc.
 

I must add that Tate had taken numerous AVO’s out on Vietnam veterans. Such is his loathsome cowardice, he is only capable of attacking elderly gallant diggers. The most despicable and hated person throughout the Vietnam veteran community.
 
My apologies for re-submission.

Edward William Colmer

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From: remloc
Sent: Thursday, 10 December 2009 3:11 PM

To: Alan.Griffin.MP; Allen J Petersen; Barry CORSE; jennie.george.mp; mike.kelly; R.McClelland.MP; Steve.Gower; 'bill.rolfe'; 'nswombo'

Subject: THE CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY OF MESSRS: BARRY CORSE; DON TATE AND JIM WILTSHIRE, FROM THE "MAD GALAH MOVEMENT" UNDER BOTH FEDERAL & STATE LAW
Importance: High

Dear Ministers: Alan Griffin MP; Dr Mike Kelly MP; ATTORNEY GENERAL OF AUSTRALIA et al,

Dear NSW Ombudsman, Could you please act on paragraph 10 of this submission please, by referring the complaint to the NSW Police Service.

SHORT BRIEF OF COMPLAINTS, CONCERNING THE ALLEGED CONSPIRACY OF MESSRS: CORSE; WILTSHIRE & TATE:


I submit the following e-mails, and matters relating to the above cohorts conspiracy of alleging war crimes in Vietnam 1969 inter alia; inciting catastrophic exacerbation of my war caused disease; warranting a criminal investigation, premised on the following reason

 
Please accept with my apologies any comprehension problems arising from the reading of this submission.

 
I briefly allege that since February 2007, Don Tate, has constructively cultivated certain Vietnam veteran infantrymen posted to the contentious [now recognised] 2nd D & E Platoon Task Force 1 ATF, Vietnam AFV [Army Component] for malicious self serving book marketing purposes, with further far more malicious; malevolent; insidiously treacherous [against the structure and good name of the Australian Defence Force Army & Australian War Memorial] by an unrelenting and vicious attack against the “status quo” Military History of Vietnam, and gallantry of various high ranking officer class members et al. To achieve his book marketing agenda quota, I allege that Don Tate, then formed a conspiratorial allegiance  with Messrs: Corse & Wiltshire, with a predetermination, i.e.; a resolution to destroy the reputation of various aging Vietnam veterans, including the AFV [Army Component] Establishment; Officer Class Establishment Vietnam, with a compilation of vicious “unqualified” innuendo and falsification of Australia’s involvement in the military history of the Vietnam war; therefore defaming and insulting the glorious war history of high ranking officers; WOs & Sgts, and that of even Rank & File combat personnel.  I am unable to fathom; rationalise, and therefore comment on the conspiratorial driving force motivating both Barry Corse & Jim Wiltshire, with their alleged vindictive determination, and therefore refuse to speculate on their contrived purpose; also noting however from numerous reports, that their motives are not altruistic, or otherwise predicated on improving Veterans’ rights.   However, I have sufficient evidence “collated”  in chronological order from my archives, that comprises a sufficient amount of  valuable “exhibit annexure” that together with my personal testimony would ensure that these ludicrous matters are dismissed, and assigned to the “shredder.”
 

I further submit, that in relation to Mr Don Tate, I am in a position to provide substantial and unmitigated evidence, that his entry into this matter with the 2nd D & E Platoon Task force, research matter, was premised entirely on “gleaning” information from those combat veterans available, for the purpose of completing his book chapter: The Orphan Platoon, of the book titled: The War With.  I can provide evidence where Don Tate has plagiarised all this information from other members accounts, and actually changed the wording of other veterans’ e-mails! I can provide further evidence, substantiating that Don Tate, albeit, constructively part of this 2nd D & E Platoon Task Force, was not present during the course of those engagements at Thua Tich, between the 28 – 30 May 1969, and therefore unable to provide primary evidence of those engagement events, or the proceeding engagement en route: 328, to Xuyen Moc Village.   Amongst the numerous collection of data archived, I can produce and tender evidence of Don Tate’s constructive falsification of evidence and joint conspiracy with both Corse and Wiltshire.  Included in a vast dossier of e-mail transmissions and written documents, is a drafted Statutory Declaration crafted by Don Tate [under the guidance of Barry Corse] November 2007, that places Don Tate in either Vung Tau or Nui Dat base, and certainly not present during the course of those specific engagements at Thua Tich, and elsewhere, that Friday, the 30 May 69, whereby he alleged that both Cavalry; Engineers, and Infantry, violated the Geneva Convention Articles, by the joint “common purpose” commission of “atrocities”; witnessed by him, with further assertions that he has statements by other members?  Therefore, his evidence submitted to the Australian Federal Police, is falsified and total incorrect.  Don Tate will contend HQ Coy Posted Roll book number: 16, start date: 1 May 69…End Date: 31 June 69; referring to pages 8 & 9 [pencilled in] for all those 47 [forty seven] “supernumerary” reserves posted on from 4 RAR/NZ [ANZAC] Bn, provides “prima facie” evidence that Don Tate was operational outside the “wire base camp” of Nui Dat.  The provision of “P” for present on those attendance pages of Roll book number: 16, is not evidence of operational tasking.  This facet of Don Tate’s claims requires a further detailed written explanation, that I’m prepared to explain vide: Police Statement or Affidavit, when and if required.  Therefore, Don Tate’s evidence of alleging the commission of what he describes as “war crimes” is mere “hearsay” and inadmissible drivel; gleaned from his imagination, and perhaps? the exaggerated thoughts of some other author/s.

 

I allege that Don Tate has continued to collaborate with both Barry Corse and Jim Wiltshire, following my disgust  with their ulterior motives, and denouncement of this elective group of “Mad Galah” Forum administrators, comprising a group of very destructive self aggrandising personalities, continually engaging in the commission of disseminating fallacious e-mails and submissions as a collective part of this damaging internet  e-mail forum network; a small group of proactive [most radical] Anti- Military Establishment Vietnam, ex-service personnel.  I allege they have jointly proceeded to conspire and orchestrate a steady stream of vile; hateful; and destruction allegations against our armed forces personnel who served in Vietnam; now culminated with falsified allegations of WAR CRIMES committed by Cavalry; Engineers, and those members of the 2nd D & E Platoon Task Force, that attended Phase: 2 of Operation: Garry Owen, in the Areas of Operation: Scorpion [Xuyen Moc Region] and Frog [Thua Tich Region] of Phuoc Tuy Province, on Friday the 30 May 1969. These allegations have caused chronic exacerbation and catastrophic mental shock to those combat veterans involved, with Posttraumatic Stress Disorder; Major Depression, and some with comorbidity Pathological Substance Abuse problems; attributed to their combat war service in Vietnam.   Since Don Tate’s Sydney Morning Herald articles of August 2009 [attached above] I immediately suffered such severe mental shock and anguish, that required urgent hospitalisation at The North Side Clinic Cremorne, reporting the causation of my relapse to my Psychiatrist.  My Psychiatrist reported a number of his patients attending for consultation with the same complaints.

 

I rebut those disgraceful and dishonourable allegations concerning atrocities “in toto”; submitting that in relation to the allegation of such war crimes, I was a member of the 2nd D & E Platoon Task Force directly involved with others in those engagements, and can categorically state that no atrocities occurred on Friday the 30 May 1969 at Thua Tich and elsewhere as alleged by Don Tate.  I also submit that in accordance with an enormous collection of documentation and e-mail transmission matters in my possession, I can “collate” from my archival collection and elsewhere, evidence of matters preceding back to the early period of 2000, which establishes evidence relevant to Don Tate’s pathological embellishment of these matters; then alleging we killed a little baby at the Thua Tich “killing ground”  I allege that all this evidence has been contrived and concocted by Don Tate, for the purpose of writing a fictional account of his experiences in Vietnam; that includes two particular photographs of himself submitted to the AWM Collection, pretending to throw a hand grenade wearing starched army greens, with untainted webbing; pack, and equipment.  These photographs are staged and should be removed from the collection.

 

These offensive and unrealistic Vietnam photos should be removed from the AWM Collection, with an explanation given to the Department of Veterans’ Affairs, accounting for the sale of 10,000 of Tate’s books; accomplished on a 100% TP & I [Special rates] compensation; service pension, and those other “invalid” entitlements Mr Don Tate is receiving from DVA, together with an explanation of how Mr Don Tate,  managed to force and manipulate the Department of Veterans’ Affairs to fully pay for a $40,000.00 motor vehicle?   If this appliance was granted to Mr Don Tate, then perhaps all severely wounded returned servicemen already have permanent ownership and available access to this appliance, and if so, then I have absolutely no complaints, and can only praise DVA.  I would also like an explanation provided to all Vietnam veterans with vested interests in concessions; answers to these questions, together with the most “perverse” of all enquires concerning Don Tate’s book titled: The War Within, allegedly purchased by Defence and used a programme guide/text for PTSD return servicemen.  I actually don’t believe this revelation from Don Tate could have the slightest validity, since his book; newspapers articles; media interviews, and library discussions, have caused extreme anxiety to Vietnam veterans [as expressed above] and counter productive, as a guide, or text, for the rehabilitation of veterans, suffering PTSD; particularly with the subject author now alleging the most insane and verifiably inane allegations of Vietnam veterans’ committing war atrocities et al?  Please reassure all Vietnam veterans that his book hasn’t been purchased by the Department of Defence or otherwise used a PTSD programme text!     
 

Additionally, and as a result of responding  to these despicable allegations, dated the 8 December 2009, Allen Petersen [the moderator/Administrator Postman] for the MAD GALAH group, contacted Counsellor Mr XXXXXXXX from VVCS Act.  Mr XXXXXX contacted me, concerning Allen Petersen’s report that I may be suicidal.   I reiterated to Mr Mortan that I was suicidal, and to report my reasons to the Minister.  Mr XXXXX qualified the problem of confidentiality arising out of preparing reports, that prevented him from submitting even a brief on the matter?    The irony is profound, because my chronically compounded hyper arousal and hyper vigilance, is accordingly a direct result of Allen Petersen’s moderated MAD GALAH site, that has exacerbated my “suicidal ideations” with Peterson’s dissemination of such accusations; accusing my glorious platoon of committing war crimes, with all sorts of other scurrilous and most degrading remarks; perpetuated by Corse, Wiltshire, and especially Tate now viewed all over the world.  That’s why I said quote: “I want to die?”  Otherwise, I would thank Mr Petersen for his concerns.   I submit that this site’s continual attack on the military establishment and those combat Vietnam veterans’ officers citation for gallantry, including all other ranks inter alia, is tantamount to encouraging suicide within the  Vietnam veteran community, and extremely dangerous and damaging to our mental health.  This requires some form of immediate review!

 

In conclusion, I am prepared to produce all documents as noted, and submit to a formal interview.
 

In conclusion, I  am profoundly concerned along with my wife and family [all deeply distressed] over certain malicious allegations perpetrated by Don Tate, concerning my  alleged “antecedents” that is falsified, and comprehensively detailed vide: confidentiality with The Repatriation Commission of Australia, arising from my service to this country in a most “covert”  24/7, extremely dangerous, and life threatening undercover roll with “Q” Group of the Federal Narcotics Bureau, for 2 [two] full clandestine years, in the 1970s. I note that I operated, albeit singularly, without protection, along with another combat Vietnam Veteran, and a Portsea graduate.  Don Tate has disseminated certain fabricated information, that is totally falsified and distressing information to thousands of Vietnam veterans, concerning certain matters directly related to, and arising from my Narcotics Bureau “undercover” service, and now has severely tainted my reputation with these Vietnam Veterans’ per se.   I am distressed to a point of impending suicide and enraged to a point of almost uncontrollable action by these remarks that I allege were accessed from the NSW Police Service “COPS” Computer base illegally; without justification, by his daughter; who is an active member of the NSW Police Service; and then provided to her father Don Tate, who tainted the context of this information for maximum distribution impact. I would appreciate your pursuance of this matter with diligence, because it is a scandalous and falsified expose of certain matters, and if such information was indeed accessed by his daughter, than charges and dismissal is warranted.  Otherwise, Don Tate has fabricated this information [perhaps from scuttlebutt] to distress me to a point of suicide, and, or, attempt to blackmail and silence my determination to defend the honour of both Cavalry; Engineers, and Infantry 2nd D & E Platoon Task Force, Vietnam; notwithstanding the fallacious and altogether disgraceful accusations made against the Defence Force Army, with particular emphasis to those courageous officers and men who were awarded Gallantry Medals.   I note the disgraceful attack on the Commander of 1 ATF Vietnam 1969.
 

Please note as per the mail posting position of Allen Petersen that he is more than mischievous.  Allen Petersen is an extremely dangerous person, inciting catastrophic war caused “mental shock” and break downs, by publishing this garbage all over Australia, and perhaps world wide.  Nevertheless, there are some good men in this Mad Galah group, as with the AVM site.   My current mental health problems concern this vile hate campaign  orchestrated and continued without pause of any form of cessation by Don Tate.  Don Tate’s cohorts really don’t concern me, but Tate is hateful; disgraceful; revengeful and an altogether spiteful self consumed person, and I reiterate, that if his book The War Within, is actually been used as a text for war veterans PTSD, then this is a shameful disgrace, albeit, I simply don’t believe DVA would be that careless.  Now that Tate is spreading malicious destructive gossip all over this country, it is now time for me to act.   I sincerely hope you can intervene and prevent this matter from escalating any further, albeit, the heinous falsified scandal he has delivered about my supposed antecedent’s has now destroyed my family life beyond recovery.  Both my wife and I care 24/7 for our handicapped 31 year old son, with my 20 year old son also deeply traumatised by Tate’s allegations, so the misery this person has created to my family is pronounced, and requires an immediate remedy.


I can prove everything written in the latest submission by Tate and cohorts is a complete assortment of fabrication, and that he intend to continue marketing his book and produce a documentary further scandalising the military establishment with utter baseless lies.

Sincerely,

Edward William Colmer

183 Jamison Road,

Penrith NSW 2750

(02) 47 214139

Following emails consist of my reaction to Don Tate’s publication of alleged WAR CRIMES [see attachments]
 

From: Allen Petersen petersaj@bigpond.net.au
Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 11:52 PM
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Cc: Richard Williams'
Subject: 2nd D&E Platoon - Mike Kelly's Statement

 

NB. 2 posts under 'West' article

G'day Barry

I was wondering if someone in the West might advise the President of the VVAA that the 2nd D&E Platoon has been formally acknowledged as a unit, and reinstated into the histories of the war in May 2008 by Mike Kelly MP. Apparently

the word didn't get through to this bloke who has come out in today's West Australian saying he has "doubt" about it.

One might have thought that the leader of an ex-serviceman's organisation (of which I am a member) might have kept abreast of these developments instead of showing his ignorance. I actually have a copy of Mike Kelly's Statement with me, as well as other evidence. 

Don Tate
author, "The War Within" 
 

From: Barry Corse

To: 'WA pres Richard Williams'

Cc: 'Donald Tate' ; 'Allen Petersen'

Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 12:53 PM

Subject: 2nd D&E Platoon- Mike Kelly's Statement

G’day Richard 

I have the advantage of knowing your personal integrity and sincerity, on that basis having read the comments in today’s West Australian by Joseph Catanzaro and on that basis, IF you are correctly quoted then Don Tate’s comments below do not appear to be extract correct, per the said article. 

Depending on an individual reading, it could be construed that you as the VVWA President are imputing that the 2nd D&E Platoon did not exist and arguably you have denigrated and defamed the 40 plus ANZACs who served in that platoon. If so, I doubt that was your intention? Pursuant to my comments below, you may care to clarify your purported quoted comments. 

1. I have seen some the evidence that the executive government and AWM and DVA have relied on to accept that the 2nd D&E Platoon of that brief period did exist.

2. the statement of the HQ1ATF Company Commander, George Pratt that he raised the platoon on the express orders of the Task Force Commander Pearson.

3. the AWM and I have a copy of the correspondence re the purported shameful boast by Pearson, why he raised the 2nd D&E Platoon to the offensive detriment of the very courageous and under-sung valour of the SAS Regiment ANZACs.

4. understandably you may not be aware that there are several criminal complaints formally emplaced with the AFP and relevant ministers relating to the war crimes recently confirmed by the RAAC driver and his mates that conflict with the formal reports by the decorated action commander and the subject of formal concerns and criminal cover-ups raised by then General Tom Daly with Brigadier Pearson.

5. if I am correctly advised, the 2 ex SAS lads who communicated with State Government Officers and appear to have questioned the integrity of the Murdoch publication, “the War Within” and its author, are now the subject of AFP criminal complaints and civil redress inquiries by the publishers. All publishers must be satisfied that at law, they can validate the content of their publications. If these fellows were encourage by others to take this criminal action, it will be interesting to see if these “mates”, also contribute to the costs that the publisher will expect to be reimbursed.

6. are you aware that criminal complaints have been initiated against some the executives of the TPI, VVFA, RSL National and Queensland and Rockhampton relative to these and related matters?


In fairness to Joe Catanzaro who has also acted in good faith, will you copy this to him?

Stay well Richard and please keep up the EXCELLENT work and momentum emplaced by Pete Ramsay.

Cheers, Barry
 

From: remloc
To: Fergus Fairfax ; Allen J Petersen ; admin@austvetmatters.net
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:53 PM
Subject: THE QUESTION OF NUMERICAL ESTABLISHMENT & ORBAT OF HQ 1 TF - 2ND D & E PLATOON TASK FORCE


TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:

FORGET ABOUT FURTHER MEDIA OPPORTUNITIES DON, AND PROVIDE A RETRACTION TO THE ALLEGED ATROCITIES FORTHWITH

The constructive establishment of this sub-unit is no longer of any interest to me, albeit, pursued in good faith and honesty, following the vicious and fabricated allegations of atrocities committed by this infantry platoon at Thua Tich.  Nevertheless, I will provide you with any amount of information and evidence available, provided you debate this issue without subjecting my submissions to editing or any alterations per se.  Otherwise criticise my research and rationale as much as you like, because I am responsible.

Please understand that this e-mail from Bill Houston was the last in a long series of submissions, but highlights my singular research finalisation of this matter [so I therefore take full responsibility for the correctness or otherwise of this research] that was assisted greatly by other dedicated members, with the two listed near the end of your Mad Galah Forum index page [remaining unnamed] both at Thua Tich, and the ensuing route: 328 ambush to Xuyen Moc.  I also know the identity of the other rifleman dragging the body viz: the AWM photo collection, who will now also have to remain nameless, until these allegations of atrocities are subject to retraction.  Don Tate never fully participated in providing [as he singularly referred to in the Herald] with any conclusive research material of proof value, for production of documentary evidence purposes, establishing the sub-unit status of this 2nd D & E Platoon Task Force, under the promulgated Parent ORBAT of HQ 1 ATF, during the course of Phase: 2 Operation: Garryowen, from: 14 May 69 – 8 June 69 inclusive. On the 9 June 69 elements from Mick Woolan’s pre-existing Establishment D & E Platoon continued with Phase: 2 Op: Garryowen, under the op con of 1 Troop, [Captain David Lawrence & then signalman Normie Rowe] following their return RTB: Nui Dat from Operation: Mailed Fist, with Tango Force from: 1 May 69 – 31 May 69.  This followed Mick’s short occupation of FSPB: Virginia, waiting for the arrival of 6 RAR for the commencement of Op: Lavarack.  Mick’s D & E Platoon [which I was posted to] continued with Phase: 2 Op: Garryowen until mid July 69.  2nd Lt Mick Woolan MC was a great skipper with his citation for gallantry justified following the engagement of NVA in the Courtenay Rubber on the 27 May 69, and in consideration to his overall leadership.

All 2nd D & E Platoon Task Force members were ARA Reo Riflemen from 4 RAR.   Our platoon commander was seconded “detached” from 1 ARU as Infantry Platoon Commander HQ 1 ATF.   I have possession of the 1 ARU Roll book evidence, detaching him with a “Y” for the duration of this platoon’s operations, including evidence of his R & R in July 69.   I would suggest that the attachment of an infantry platoon commander to this sub-unit singularly constitutes the official construction of an infantry sub-unit, and as even reinforcement “supernumerary” reserves, we would still be under the control of the Parent ORBAT HQ 1 TF albeit, not under the numerical Establishment of Personnel & Staff, but still under the Establishment authority [TW] Tropical Weapons & Equipment issue of HQ 1 ATF, until fully operational with our op con to Cavalry.  Infantry sub-units, including rifle companies have no individual ORBAT promulgation, thereby under the ORBAT of the Parent Battalion or in this situation HQ Coy 1 ATF.

The jpg image attached refers to AWM98 R569/169/37 Research Centre, Operation: GARRYOWEN 1 ATF OP INSTR 41/69, DATED: 2 MAY 69

Please peruse this message [there are others] received on the 6 May 69 and understand with reference to BRAVO. TWO MOR APC CMM ONE RIFLE PL [ 3 PL WHISKY COY 4 RAR/NZ] AND ONE MORTAR SECTION 4 RAR ALLOTTED FROM AM 7 MAY 69.  This has been verified from Commanders’ diary logs et al, with 3 Pl W Coy 4 RAR/NZ, RTB: Nui Dat 17 May 69, from OP: Garryowen in A0-SCORPION [Xuyen Moc] to prepare for their return to New Zealand.

Therefore, this platoon required relief and 3 Cav required infantry reinforcements on Garryowen.

CHARLIE. RELIEF OF 4 RAR ELMS TO BE DETAILED LATER.     Since 4 RAR was assigned with the responsibility of providing riflemen, this relief resulted in the movement of 46 ARA REO Riflemen to HQ Coy 1 ATF, on or about the 11 May 69 [watermanship training occurring on the 12 – 13 May 69] vide: Message Form Priority 0730H 11 May 69 – R852/1//11, OPS 729, TO: HQ COY & 1 FD SQN: WATERMANSHIP TRG D & E PL 12 -13 MAY 69, by Drafter: Gee.  4 RAR had to accommodate exactly 46 early arrival ORs from 6 RAR [dated: 6 May 69]. Therefore, the  46/ 4 RAR riflemen were posted to HQ Coy 1 ATF in compliance with the early arrival of those 6 RAR ORS billeting and rationing requirements, and to further fulfil the relief requirements of 3 Pl Whisky Coy 4 RAR inter alia.   A number of these 46/ 4 RAR Reos posted to HQ Coy 1 ATF were subject to AFV Directives [rifleman – storeman et al] with one AWOL R & R, including extension leave personnel.  I have estimated that 40 members were assigned to the 2nd D & E Platoon Task Force, but can’t fully quantify these figures, or disqualify them any further either [other than what I know] without obtaining additional posting directives. Nonetheless, most I can visually identify with assistance from others; also subject to AWM Collection photos by Army Public Relations Sgt: Christopher Bellis and Dr Denis Stanley Gibbons.

FROM 0730H 7 MAY 69 UNTIL REL ONE RIFLE PL 4 RAR.

As mentioned the responsibility of providing riflemen and mortar men for Operation: Garryowen was allocated to 4 RAR, that included the required relief of 3 Pl W Coy 4 RAR: 7 – 17 May 69  Therefore from the 46 ARA REO Riflemen posted to HQ Coy 1 ATF [pencilled into pages: 8 & 9 of Posted HQ Coy Roll book No: 16 from: May – June 69 inclusive on the 19 May 69] approximately 40 were selected for operations, with the pdf listed chronology, detailing Commanders’ diary logs; Sitreps and Intsums, that cites all narratives where this D & E Platoon is mentioned by name.

Please follow that chronology and ask questions accordingly. The only exception to this chronology is our brief RTB: Nui Dat on the 22 May 69, where some members were dropped off; we stayed the night, and proceeded back to Xuyen Moc, on the 23 May 69.

I have evidence verifying all this with much more detail including Aust Force Vietnam Establishment ORBAT/Personnel/Staff Tables for HQ 1 TF, that includes Establishment Authority (TW) Tropical Weapons and Equipment, on issue to our reserves.
 

I concede there is a question of our Establishment credence criteria, viz: Aust Force Vietnam [Army Component] Establishment ORBAT/Personnel/ Staff tables, that numerically identifies by mathematical deduction, that this referred to 2nd D & E Platoon was “supernumerary” and therefore technically but correctly “surplus” to the Establishment, when compared with the Daily Parade State of Roll book No: 16, attendance status for May – June 69.   I realise the numerical manpower Establishment constant was  = 181 for HQ 1 ATF, from April – December 1969, and poses a numerical conflict with the Daily Parade State: May & June = 227, with the Posted surplus = 46 reserves from 4 RAR.  Therefore representing our 40 Operational Platoon members, with the other 6 accounted for by AWOL R & R, or subject to AFV Directives RA Inf [Riflemen – Storemen et al], and extension leave inter alia.
 

Nonetheless, it was raised under the umbrella of HQ 1 ATF with a designated  Infantry Commissioned Platoon Commander and subordinate chain of NCO command structure, including WO2 Ernie Hayden RA Inf – HQ Coy 1 ATF [Thua Tich] and referred to almost 60 [sixty] times in Commanders’ diary logs; Sitreps, and Intsums, as a distinct separate D & E Pl; consisting of up to 40 ARA REO Riflemen, from 4 RAR/NZ [ANZAC Bn] for a specific “ad hoc” interdiction operation; relieving 3 Platoon Whisky Coy 4 RAR/NZ, and reinforcing both 2 & 1 Troop of B Squadron 3 Cavalry Regiment on Operation; Garry Owen, and should be recognised and enshrined with all other D & E Platoons per se.

I will discuss this with the AWM and technically concede for documentary and historically enduring AWM archival purposes, conciliation of this dispute could be reconciled by referring to our platoon as “ad hoc” to the Establishment; “referring to ourselves” as the 2nd D & E Platoon Task Force, rather than officially, albeit, a secondary Sub-unit was consequentially raised, and corroborated by the volumes of evidence produced recognising a distinct secondary D & E Platoon Task Force [distinct from 2nd Lt Woolan] during the course of this supernumerary rotation period with most member’s consequential posting to 9 RAR.  I note that five members including myself remained with D & E Pl until late 69.
 

Therefore, and irrespective of the contradicting notion of numerical Establishment [still on Roll book Posted strength] in military terms this platoon deserves to be reorganised on the objective for HQ 1 TF, as the 2nd D & E Platoon Task Force.


Ted Colmer

 

 

From: remloc  REMLOC IS TED COLMER
Sent: Wednesday, 12 August 2009 12:12 PM
To: 'Allen Petersen'; 'Undisclosed-Recipient:;'; Barry CORSE
Cc: 'Richard Williams''; Alan Price; Dennis Manski; etricker; Jim Fraser; Kay & Alan Roach; Kay & Allan; sopwith1; nealcremen; ricb; richard appleby; rick; Robert Secrett; 'jeqon'
Subject: SPURIOUS ALLEGATIONS OF ATROCITIES COMMITTED BY THE 2ND D & E PLATOON TASK FORCE - THUA TICH

Barry,

BRIEF REBUTTAL:

How dare you corroborate and then attempt to justify these allegations of atrocities committed by this platoon.

I challenge you and Don Tate to a public forum debate concerning these allegations, and his attendance on Phase: 2 of Operation: Garryowen from the 14 May 69 until 8 June 69 inclusive.
 

Otherwise, this matter has absolutely nothing to do with you Barry, and can only be resolved with Don Tate retracting the statements alleged against this platoon. The very existence of this platoon is now totally irrelevant to the superseding complaints of atrocities allegedly committed by the men that served in this sub-unit. There is no greater cause to rectify when you have been engaged on active service, then to be accused forty years later of committing war crimes, especially by a member who has financial book motivating marketing agenda’s paramount to preserving the “status quo” integrity of this platoon’s reputation and that of all associated Vietnam armed forces, and is certainly not in a position to witness or make such scurrilous allegations against our platoon at Thua Tich. Don Tate’s apparent dislike for Cavalry and a certain well known trooper, arising from matters in the 1980s fuels his retribution, resulting in the scheming cultivation of our platoon membership in 2007 for book publishing purposes.  I believe the fictional account of his personal involvement highlighted in Chapter: The orphan platoon is either plagiarised from other member’s accounts, or falsified, following the devious cultivation of certain members for information purposes in early 2007 [differing greatly to his original web site] which was a prerequisite to finalising this chapter and accordingly his book, that no-one was aware of until he made that announcement, immediately alienating most members.

Your philosophical predication, justifying this particular matter is flawed Barry.  There is nothing greater than restoring the dignity deserved to our platoon members, and others affected by this scandalous and totally exaggerated expose’.  I recently consulted with my psychiatrist [well known in Sydney] to discover numerous patients have reported extreme anxiety from these revelations. Our platoon is now dishonoured by these allegations and deeply wounded.  I would be surprised to discover that this book is validated by the DVA and used as a written text for Veterans’ programs, since his media marketing strategy is causing so much exacerbated anxiety.  Don Tate is a malcontent figure that flagrantly hates anyone that disagrees with his determination and ruthless ambition to ensure financial success, derived from the misery of other Vietnam veterans per se.

For principle of privacy reasons I will not list the factual nominal roll of infantry that took part in these engagements [that physically excludes Don Tate] including: the 9 man listening active ambush post [call sign I – 63] with the remaining infantry sections reinforcing: XX, XX & XX section APCs, because these men have now been collectively tarnished with the stigma of allegedly committing atrocities following the aftermath of these engagements, and have to reside with those allegations, negating the premise of your philosophical rationale Barry, because collateral damage has now been inflicted on not just that composite force of soldiers, but also widespread amongst many Vietnam veterans, which will not assist your determination to bring down the Establishment, at the expense of those soldiers on the ground; contradicting your reasoning herein.   We have been collectively betrayed by a person with nothing but financial motives, rather than altruistic purposes, so transparent to all platoon members et al.  I have repeatedly pleaded, warned, and otherwise tried to persuade Don Tate to divert his attention from deriding certain “baggy arse” diggers et al [especially constructive Establishment D & E Platoon Task Force members; SAS, and Cavalry] but he was intent on vilification and destruction.  Therefore. what is the premise of your criminal complaints to the AFP regarding WAR CRIMES Barry?   This is the first time I have heard that formal criminal complaints have been tendered to the AFP concerning alleged war crimes at Thua Tich, and with that I will vigorously defend these vicious and totally incongruous assertions, premised entirely on the most malevolent and insidiously treacherous act of betrayal of confidentiality I have ever experienced.  Therefore, should I prepare myself for a visit by the AFP in relation to these allegations, or would you prefer that I surrender myself for interrogation and charging under the Geneva Convention articles inter alia.

During the course of our deployment on Phase: 2 Operation Garryowen from date: 14 May 69 – 8 June 69 we operated with a designated call sign I – 63, when patrolling and conducting singular section size ambushes.  Otherwise, all sections conducted combined RIF operations with these troops. All men including: Cavalry troopers; Infantry; Sappers; and Mortar men always fought with courage and some real aggressive displayed gallantry, and any gibing between corps was founded on mere trivial rivalry, and considered healthy for morale.  3 SQN SAS were superior soldiers performing covert reconnaissance under the most perilous conditions with some unavoidable engagements during the course of April; May – June 69 inclusive.  GsO2 [OPS] Major David Chinn, directed SAS to avoid contact during this period, and concentrate on intelligence gathering.  I have studied and noted their extraordinary success during the HO CHI MINH Offensive [19 May 69] especially given the 18 man 3 SQN SAS saturation patrol of 18 – 27 May 69, sighting almost 800 VC/NVA, as the large scale traversing enemy walked within a few metres of their 9 day listening post, on a congested east/west track position just 10 clicks from Thua Tich, that resulted in our deployment on the 28 May 69 [with the assignment of AO-FROG to 3 Cav,] with the much deserved recognition for outstanding leadership and gallantry awarded to the Troop Commander.  3 SQN SAS were later permitted to interdict and aggressively engage the enemy; resulting in excess of 85 confirmed KIA for the Regiment. The point being how could we consider ourselves superior to SAS or even pretend to, and what do you precisely mean with your reference to SAS in conjunction with 1 ATF’s Commander.   I haven’t had possession or read this apparent submission?

I reported [in recent months] the whereabouts of large grave sites south of Thua Tich near route: 328 to the Australian embassy’s defence attaché Colonel Stuart Dodds, at YS 610785.  Bushranger 71 witnessed VC removing 3 bodies from these grave sites, on the 31 May 69.   Perhaps the VC moved all bodies to another site, albeit, the grave site was substantial, accounting for further VC KIA at Thua Tich and en route: 328 ambush.  The site is south of the old abandoned village somewhere between that engagement position and the Friday attempted ambush on our APC column, during the course of Buddha [birthday] Cease fire arrangement.  So there is that huge grave site the Vietnamese can excavate.  With respect to these matters, this would be the respectful path for the Vietnamese Government to pursue rather than focusing on the negative or sensationism. The statement by Don Tate asserting that there are no bodies left for them to find, highlighting the recovery of Flying Officers Michael Herbert and Pilot Officer Robert Carver for further impact is a dishonourable and disgraceful inclusion, and shouldn’t be rewarded by corroborating and attempting to justify these acts of betrayal.

I note that the article attached, together with radio interviews, and the Herald article dated: 12 July 2009 makes direct allegations of atrocities committed by this infantry platoon, with such sensationalised media reports always preceding Don Tate’s book tours??
Ted Colmer

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Machine Gunner Listening post Thua Tich [therefore, accused of committing Thua Tich related atrocities]

 
The following email was received by admin this evening. The email from Ted Colmer speaks for itself and we refrain from making comment on its contents. We do make the point that Tate now is digging around for supporters for his debauched lies and personal attacks on decent people. Among the very few who listen to his drivel and who support him for their own ends are Corse and Wiltshire, both of whom are as bad and as mad as Tate. You can always tell a persons character from the company they keep and these three are ideally a love match.

From: remloc [Ted Colmer]
To: Allen J Petersen ; Alan.Griffin.MP ; Neil Weekes ; admin@austvetmatters.net
Cc: bobbuick ; Barry CORSE ; Jim Wiltshire
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:44 PM
Subject: YOUR TREACHERY TO THIS NATION
CORSE; WILTSHIRE AND PARTICULARLY TATE:

LOW LIFE TREACHEROUS DOGS!
Manipulating pathological melodramatic liar Tate.

This is your plan to launch a documentary Tate.  Not satisfied with you book; always wanting more at the expense of good men.

You were never deployed to Thua Tich, so your evidence is “hearsay” and inadmissible drivel, carefully crafted by Corse and Wiltshire et al!

You’re a low life treacherous scumbag dog Tate, along with you delusional mates.

Nevertheless, shit sticks, and you have dishonoured my war service, and that of my comrades in both Cavalry and D & E Platoon, and I want to die.

With that, I am seriously considering my options that will probably involve you!

Don’t rush to plan your Xmas?

Please accept my most sincere apologies for past regrets Bob.   This Mad Galah scum doesn’t deserve to live.

PS: I sincerely hope, but seriously don’t believe you could be involved in this Neil Weekes.  I always respected you. No, I don’t believe a man of your integrity could be involved with this vermin.

Ted  Colmer

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 Don "I'm a hero" Tate is frothing at the mouth again. He sent a long flowery email to various politicians and Defence Force Officers last Sunday 6 Dec 09. We have included his email and a covering Tate email published by Jim Wiltshire following our comment.
 
For the uninitiated and on the surface of things Tates email sounds hole proof and true. However after observing Don Tate for a long time we know he is a master of spin and has the reputation for intermixing some truth with lies to make his cases on various matters.You can read about Don Tate here
 
http://www.austvetmatters.net/tate.html
 
http://www.austvetmatters.net/updates.html
 
 
Once again Don Tate has done his wily best to convince readers that he was at the Thua Tich ambush and that the non existent 2nd D&E Platoon did exist. There is no doubt Tate was a member of the HQ 1st Australian Task Force D&E Platoon in 1969, there is no doubt Tate served in 4 RAR and 9 RAR.There is no doubt this inexperienced private soldier was wounded in action. This is just about where the truth ends and the lies and embellishments begin.
 
Ted Colmer was provably part of the 1969 Thua Tich [ a village in the Australian Area of Operations ] ambush as was Jim Riddle. Ted Colmer has publicly stated that Tate was not present at the ambush, Tate himself says he can't remember if he was present at the ambush and we have private emails which state that Jim Riddle regards Tate as a liar and parasitic user. Ted Colmer, a former Soldier and AFP Policeman, has stated no atrocities occurred during or immediately after the Thua Tich ambush and none occurred on the way to Xuyen Moc village or in Xuyen Moc village. We will take the word of Colmer over the word of Tate any day.
 
It is clear that Ted Colmer has sought some type of medical help which we admire him for and that a result of this he has become honest with himself and has scuttled the boat of lies and false heroism and tales of atrocities dreamed up in the warped Tate mind.
 
Don Tate is a pathetic character who is determined to bring down anybody and any organization, including the highly respected Australian Defence Force, to feed his own ego, to support his own lies and to sustain the sickness which pervades his vicious mind.Our observation is that Don Tate was a very mixed up,psychologically unfit and vicious young man well before he enlisted and that his current behaviour has nothing to do with his War service. For what it is worth we believe he should never have been accepted into the ADF.
 
Don Tate there are no major conspiracies around every corner, there are not Battalions of Veterans and politicians consorting to destroy you and there is little truth in anything you say. The simple matter is you are a wannabe who has used fellow Veterans and who has lied and manipulated to get your own way. You are a failed human being who is convinced you and you alone have suffered during life. Many many people have suffered far more than you have ever suffered.
 
 AVM


From: Jim Wiltshire
To: FACT@dva.awm.gov.au
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:30 AM
Subject: Fw: Federal Police-and military matters (involving the 2nd D&E Platoon of 1969)
 
Veterans.....
I sent the letter below (and the attachment) to Angus Houston- the current head of the ADF a little while ago to keep him abreast of developments in the 2nd D&E Platoon matter, since it contains matters pertinent to the military history of this country. It also went to two other politicians so as to ensure that the matters are definitely dealt with, and not swept under the carpet.

It wasn't necessarily for public consumption, but the reappearance of Ted Colmer again after a period of care, gives me no option but to make it more public.

Some months ago, he sent out an email through the veteran community which was quite defamatory, and did me some damage, but I let it pass me by. He accused me of making baseless accusations of "atrocities' (which he regarded as "scurrilous", and suggested that my reasons were motivated by book sales of "The War Within".

(Note that I have waited until "The War Within" has run its course before I have taken this final step!)

Some have asked me why I didn't respond to Colmer's outburst- that NOT doing so was either weakness on my part, or an admission that he was right in his assertions.

I have replied to them that here were two reasons I didn't- first, because of the delicate nature of the man's psychological state (and I didn't want to exaccerbate that condition out of concern for him) and secondly, because the matters WERE being dealt with by the nation's premier investigative force- the AFP.

And I didn't want to compromise either- especially given Colmer's
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Had to go to 7RAR (1st Tour 1968) Web site about 2 years ago to check on the bonifides of a bloke, and whilst there went to A Coy.   Low and behold there was a bloke that I know with WIA against his name.   I rang this bloke up and ask why he had not told me he was wounded in SVN.   His statement to me was "You didn't ask".

That particular Veteran, is my Brother in Law.  Has been since 1969.

Like Williams I know a few Veterans who were wounded, and they got on with there lives like real men do.

Tate sufferes from Bill Murry Illness.   You know, "GROUND HOG DAY SYNDROME"  can not seem to come out of the fairytale land of 1969.

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I really get sick and tired of Tate proclaiming his "Wounded In Action" status and wearing it as if it was a Victoria Cross. He could have learned a lesson from an old WW2 Rat of Tobruk (Deceased now) from Whyalla by the name of Mr Abraham. This Digger had half his stomach shot away by a german machine gun, escaped by inches from being squashed by a tiger tank whilst laying in the sand wounded and upon his return spent around six, yes six years Mr Tate in hospital and then many, many times in there until his death. The amazing thing with this old gent was that he never received a medal for the action he was undertaking when wounded, was never a T&PI and for the somewhat 40yrs that I knew him never complained once about his lot in life and rarely talked about the events that took place over there. His main regret in life was the loss of his Mates who never returned.

This old bloke was a "Real Man"!

Cheers!
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I did notice that no-one has taken the time to "rate" it. Cry
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Looks like Doubleday have seen the light. They're trying to dispose of some heavily discounted stock ASAP: http://www.doubleday.com.au/Products/Books/The-War-Within-by-Don-Tate/47241_14.aspx

Fancy getting a copy of that for Christmas! You'd have to flush it through with copious quantities of stout!

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Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:33 AM
Subject: re the "TREACHERY" to my Nation


WOOPS, I think The Donny Boy has lost the plot, and decided to let it all hang out. He speaks about Thua Tich as if he was there when all he has is second and third hand information.  He states he went to the aid of others, when he said he was attacking a bunker and was one of those out front ahead of the others.  Yes he was wounded in action and did go into hospital for rehab. Donny Boy, I can give you a list of no less then 70 MEN who were wounded in action and ended up in hospital. Some of those MEN came out of hospital; missing limbs and other parts of their bodies, BUT the difference between them and you is they are MEN, Donny Boy.  They got on with their lives, learnt trades and developed skills to enable them to make a good sound living from. I am not for one minute condemning any one for being a TPI. I know some dam good MEN who are stuffed up, but on their good days they are good, on their bad days they are down deep in that hole. What I am saying is; These MEN never once falsified any of their service to this great nation or called any of their comrades a coward or any other derogatory word.  Some of them attend ANZAC DAY and some of them don't. But not one of them condemn their Officers for their loss.

 Not one of them have I witnessed first hand or even second, third, or fourth hand, make an accusation of any one falsifying records. Donny Boy, you are a poor example of a bungling, stumbling, mentally depraved dill, who left his bolt out of his weapon. What were you going to do Donny Boy? Photograph the enemy and give the photo's to the AFP to hunt down for some trumped up charge?  Well IDIOT? Answer that one! I demand you answer that before you go on with any of your crap and lies. WERE YOU GOING TO PHOTOGRAPH THE ENEMY AND GIVE THE PHOTO'S TO THE AFP TO HUNT THEM DOWN? Is that why you left your bolt behind and didn't bother to fit it?

What did you expect the AFP to charge them with? It was DAFFY DUCK WEEK DRONGO!  It was the hunting session! That's why YOU were out there also, or did that slip your mind?

You were about as good a rifleman as you were a Dixie basher back at Ingleburn. HOPELESS. and as for your recollections? You forget more of the detail, about your lies then you remember, when you keep telling them. One last thing there Donny Boy.

Have you stopped bashing your wife? You appear to know that others are doing it so I was thinking that maybe you are in some sort of club or some thing?
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And now we hear from the "hero" himself. Did he really fight the war all by himself? It sure sounds like it to me.
Oh!, and by the way young "Donny" boy, I had more days leave than you than you had service.


From: Donald Tate
To: Allen Petersen ;
Sent: Wednesday, 9 December 2009 11:03 AM
Subject: re the "TREACHERY" to my Nation


Apparently there are those who regard my sending advices to the AFP about the matters from Thua Tich as "treachery to my nation", and regard me as some "Judas" for doing so.
Well, all those weak-gutted, piss-ants out there in the veteran community with those views are welcome to their opinion.
But let me make this clear:
- I VOLUNTEERED FOR THE ARMY
- I VOLUNTEEDED FOR THE INFANTRY
- I VOLUNTEERED TO GO TO VIETNAM AS A REINFORCEMENT
- and I served in three different infantry units as a rifleman at all times before being WOUNDED IN ACTION going to the aid of fellow infantrymen.
And I DID MORE THAN TWO YEARS IN HOSPITALS AFTERWARDS.
I REMAIN PERMANENTLY DISABLED BY THOSE ACTIONS.
Where is the "treachery" in all that?
What more could I have done for this "nation"?
And what was my reward?
- having my service history compromised with the 4th and 9th Battalions
- having another unit I served with deleted from the history books
And being shit on by my fellow veterans for recording my version of events, when those doing the shitting mostly did sweet f...all by comparison!
Yes- I have reported matters to the AFP.
That's what men do when there have been wrongs committed. Ask for matters to be investigated, and let the cards fall where they will.
WHAT WAS THE OTHER OPTION?
STAY QUIET- and let doctored history remain?
Let sleeping dogs lie?
No....that's what cowards do. Like some of those other bastards in the 2nd D&E Platoon have done all along, never having the heart to speak publicly. And like the blokes in cavalry who have spoken to me at various locations around Australia have done- remain silent, lest your 'mates' ostracise you.
Or blokes like Ted Colmer do- swap trains mid-route, because it looks a little rocky ahead.
SILENCE is why paedophilia is a growth industry, why women are still being bashed by cowardly husbands, and why murderers aren't reported by those who know their secrets.
SILENCE is COMPLICITY.
What a pathetic lot this veteran community really is.....men supposedly big and bold who strike like scorpions from anonymity against a fellow veteran who didn't share their rosy little lives afterwards.
Treachery to my nation?
I don't think so.
Its those who remain SILENT who are the treacherous ones. Gutless, cowarly men who know the truths of May 30th 1969 hiding behind their masks of "what happened in war stays on the battlefield".
Then whisper behind their hands about the cowards who were awarded 'gallantry' medals from their own ranks, and about other atrocities that have occurred on many other occasions in so many different locations- but we don't want to hurt the Corps, do we?
LET'S STAY SILENT.
Better to have another beer and hold each other's hands at reunions. And shit on anyone who dares break the unwritten rules of 'espirit de corps'.
Stay silent, you pea-hearts.
I won't.

Don Tate
 

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Has everyone noticed that when young "Donny" puts his grubby little fingers on the keyboard he constantly refers to others as paedophiles? I'm wondering if young "Donny" boy is not a closet paedophile himself c/w slouch hat.
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FROM TATES 4 RAR SECTION COMMANDER.

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From: Tom

To: AUSTRALIAN VETERAN MATTERS

Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:15 AM

Subject: Donny's latest vitriolic attack on me

Hi ,

Donny's Sect Commd DCoy 4RAR here.

Attached is Donny Tate's  latest pathetic attempt to intimidate me.

Interestingly into doing what I am not sure.

Note that he as always, fails to comment upon my reason for my initial message

I.e. once again Donny fails to get it correct.

In that there never was a Cpl Ian Morrison in 10Pl D Coy let alone 4RAR.

He is confused(his usual state of mind) with a Pte xxxxxxx of Support Sec and 12Pl DCoy4RAR who would never have spoken such words of praise of Tate.

Donny sates that he will "Humiliate" me by exposing me for humiliating him over the "Infamous Bolt Incident" by posting his version to 1,000 addressees he has at his disposal.

I fully encourage ,nay!!! I openly challenge Donny to publish his version in a forum where I can expose him for the borderline criminal  incompetence of his act and how he put safety of the entire the patrol at risk.

Basis of the story is his complaint of my punishment thus his humiliation of him, for going to go out on patrol from the Horseshoe without a bolt fitted in his SLR.

YES that is correct.

Without the bolt fitted in his SLR.

The incompetent dickhead had failed to refit his bolt after cleaning his wpn.

Found by other members of sect, thankfully before Sect left on patrol, with him as Fwd Sct.

 I once again repeat my statement reference Donny's inability to simply sort it all out.

As a further example of Donny's ability to confuse fact and fiction with one of his "Vivid Recollections" of HIS time in Vietnam.

Firstly

Donny says that whilst in Vietnam he "vividly" remembers watching  Normie Rowe perform once and once only and that once was definitely in the bush and thus during some operation.

Of course as we all acknowledge this is simply garbage.

Facts

Well young Donny did see Normie Rowe perform  and perform once only in Vietnam except that it was at  a 4RAR Variety  Concert staged in the Btn lines within the wire of Nui Dat.

Normie was kind and generous enough to give of his time to perform 3-4 songs at 4RAR Variety Concert along with several other acts performed by  Btn members.

Normies performance was most appreciated by all the troopies, along with young Donny,who was cheering  with the rest of us at the one and only time he seen Normie Rowe perform in Vietnam.

Bet that brings an interesting reaction from our boy Donny lol

Seriously now...

Originally I consider Donny Tate's antics as typical of the immature,incompetent,fumble bum of a young affable soldier that he was in the 4mnths he served in my Section in 4RAR, however the level of his vitriolic attacks on such a good soldier and gentleman as Sandy Pearson, the level of nasty threats levelled at Veterans and all who dare to challenge Tate's version, must and should not be allowed to continue unchallenged.

Enough is enough,

It is becoming obvious that his Behaviour is seriously affecting other Vets health and well being.

Surely there is enough of us Vets who simply wish to hold our own memories and celebrate the comradeship with those that we served with at Anzac Days and reunions.

For us  to mount a serious "Debunking" campaign to openly expose this somewhat imbecilic behaviour of Tate's.

OK I now await Donny's next bucket of bile and vitriol with bated breath lol

TD

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Date: 5/12/2009 8:36:54 AM

So Tom.....I note you didn't respond tomy email re the AVM web site.Okay...here's where we go from here......

When I was in Vietnam, aged 19, I thought you were the ant's pants as a manand leader. I've come a long way since then, and on reflection, see you now as a hollow excuse for a man- still hiding behind your exploits of 1969.

I am no longet that naive 19 year-old boy you might still think I am.

Now, I've written a book which has just hit 'best-seller' status,travelled Australia speaking to audiences at more than 100 libraries, and met many interesting people- veterans, and family members of veterans.

Like your son, in Kiama.

He and I had a geat talk.

I hear that you're a blubbering wreck, abusive of family etc etc.

And I got to wondering about that, and thinking, and thought...

- the prick only did one tour

- he didn't get wounded

- made sure he didn't go back for a second tour

- and had a full working life

No doubt though you've scored a full pension, eh? PTSD? Of course.

Now Tommy.....(don't call me 'Donny' again, arsehole!)...this is what I'm going to do.

I'm going to give you a few days to get your gutless, anonymous piece of writing' off that AVM website.

If you don't, I'll write a piece elaborating on the missing bolt incident, and because I now have thousands of email contacts, I'll ensure it gets widespread coverage.=A0But I'll also make sure I do to you what you did to me-  make sure you are humiliated publicly.

I'll do to you what you did to me.

You see, dickhead, those comments about you made concerning Riddle's comments to you about me, aren't supported by any evidence.

Just the warped word of an old corporal who thought he was a general.

Whereas, I have IN WRITING, comments written to me, about me, by Riddle, that I CAN produce as evidence.

YOU versus me, Douglas.

Want a fight?

Oh, by the way, it didn't escape me that you never showed at any of the library talks- gutless Cunt that you are. You and Alan Price make a good pair-  he's a coward, and so are you.

As I said, you're dealing with a different man now, Tommy.

Get those comments off that web site (apparently you enjoy associating with  a paedophile, eh?) or else.

Don Tate
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Agree with you CD,  he's done it this time.

Can not wait until the History comes out from the AWM.    Lets see if the so called Phantom 2nd D&E Pl is mentioned.  I very much dought it, Tate with his fairy tale book will have a lot of question to answer from its release to his Family, friends (if any) and the veteran community as a whole.

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I for one believe that Mad Dog Tate has put his head in the noose here and should be aware that some Mad Dogs are put down subject to Rule .303.  I really believe that he has now bitten off more than he can chew.  Just my thoughts. Sad
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QUOTE TATE

What makes his attacks extraordinary, is that it was Colmer's initial investigations that proved decisive in proving that the 2nd D&E Platoon existed and operated independently of Lt Ray Woolan's D&E Platoon- including his locating the Roll Books of HQ Coy 1ATF which clearly show me as being "PRESENT" on every day in that Company during May 1969. (Also in the hands of the AFP, and also attached here!)

Tate has made much of the atrocity allegations in his recent email but has glaringly failed to mention anything about his alleged presence in the ambush on the night of 29-30 May 69 at Thua Tich. Apart that is from some clever suggestive stuff about a roll book. Why has he shifted the argument and again failed to categorically state he was present in the ambush. Why? Because Colmer and Riddle have both said he was NOT part of the ambush that night.

Now a lesson on administration Donny. Being marked present in the Platoon roll book does NOT prove you were part of the ambush or that you were anywhere near Thua Tich on 29-30 May 69. The P in the roll book means you were marked as being PRESENT for ration and administration purposes in the HQ 1 ATF D&E Pl. The P does not show your location on those days. It shows you were on the posted strength of HQ 1 ATF D&E Pl for ration and administration purposes only. You could have been back at Nui Dat bashing dixies for all we know.

Oh and while we are at it. What name does that ROLL BOOK have on the front cover? I'd bet it says HQ 1ATF D&E Pl. Does it say 2nd D&E Pl ? Of course not.

Get a life, get real, be a man and not a mouse and admit you have fouly used your fellow Veterans to make money, make fame and make a name for yourself.

Many many young Australians, including this young Australian, come from abusive and dysfunctional homes and tough lives. That is no excuse for unacceptable adult behaviour. Ya can't wear it as a medal Donny boy.Good people from tough homes move on and learn to live productive, compassionate and understanding lives and never use their tough childhood as a crutch for sickening vile behaviour. Quite the reverse. All I know use the lessons of childhood to better their lives and the lives of others and go on to live lives devoid of complaint and hypochondria.
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Reading 'Tate's' vitriolic diatribe makes me feel physically ill.

For an ex-serviceman, and a Veteran at that, to accuse Australian Defence Force Officers of conspiring to alter the records of a part of our Military War History is outrageous and downright offensive.  'Tate' definitely owns a "poison pen".

For me, all he is doing is making himself more and more despicable.
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The following email was received by admin this evening. The email from Ted Colmer speaks for itself and we refrain from making comment on its contents. We do make the point that Tate now is digging around for supporters for his debauched lies and personal attacks on decent people. Among the very few who listen to his drivel and who support him for their own ends are Corse and Wiltshire, both of whom are as bad and as mad as Tate. You can always tell a persons character from the company they keep and these three are ideally a love match.

From: remloc [Ted Colmer]
To: Allen J Petersen ; Alan.Griffin.MP ; Neil Weekes ; admin@austvetmatters.net
Cc: bobbuick ; Barry CORSE ; Jim Wiltshire
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:44 PM
Subject: YOUR TREACHERY TO THIS NATION
CORSE; WILTSHIRE AND PARTICULARLY TATE:

LOW LIFE TREACHEROUS DOGS!
Manipulating pathological melodramatic liar Tate.
This is your plan to launch a documentary Tate.  Not satisfied with you book; always wanting more at the expense of good men.
You were never deployed to Thua Tich, so your evidence is “hearsay” and inadmissible drivel, carefully crafted by Corse and Wiltshire et al!
You’re a low life treacherous scumbag dog Tate, along with you delusional mates.
Nevertheless, shit sticks, and you have dishonoured my war service, and that of my comrades in both Cavalry and D & E Platoon, and I want to die.
With that, I am seriously considering my options that will probably involve you!
Don’t rush to plan your Xmas?
Please accept my most sincere apologies for past regrets Bob.   This Mad Galah scum doesn’t deserve to live.
PS: I sincerely hope, but seriously don’t believe you could be involved in this Neil Weekes.  I always respected you. No, I don’t believe a man of your integrity could be involved with this vermin.

Ted  Colmer
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For what it is worth,  Tate has condemned his own men, He coned and bull shitted so much and so well that Riddle came back to Australia thinking that this six foot sandy coloured headed dick head was setting him up for a medal and a TPI pension. Nether happened. When Riddle was laid up in hospital trying to find a way to get back to England and his family, TATE in all his self proclaimed glory wrote to Riddle putting shit on him for letting TATE down at the dedication of the Donald Tate war memorial and Tree line walk. TATE wrote to Riddle accusing Riddle of every thing except the cutting of the ribbon on the Harbour Bridge. All this after TATE claimed Riddle was the Hero of the ambush. Riddle was the senior soldier who led the others into hell and out again, when all along it was really TATE doing the leading with his dick in one hand and banging his head on the dunny door, came up with the illusion that he was a common Hero deserving more then a packet of band-aids.
TATE do the world and us a favour, over dose on your Prozac before you try to change the history of another war. 2ND D&E Platoon, total CRAP. No such thing.
TATE you are a total disgrace to the Uniform and Memory of every service person who ever wore it.  Your ego is bigger then any thing you could ever think up. You are a liar, a fraudster, and a complete and utter dickhead.
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I have never ever seen such tripe written by any veteran before.  I think this low lifeTate is trying to achieve additional book sales for Christmas.  May I suggest a new nickname for Tate - "Judas" as he has sold his fellow veterans out for 30 pieces of silver.

This lowlife, who knows so much about the "ambush" when he was not there, needs to explain why he was next to 20A carrier when there were claymore mines in front of his position. That would not be allowed to happen for 2 reasons. 

1. He would be killed from the back blast from the claymores.  These were the same ones that iniatated the ambush.

2. The APC if needing to move position would squash him.

This "hero" needs to reread his Superman comics.
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In the emails posted by Spartacus, Don Tate wrote to Angus Houston and enclosed a letter that he wrote to a group of ex HQ 1ATF Officers including Major General Sandy Pearson. In the letter Tate accuses Pearson of weakness and/or cowardice and blames Pearson’s weakness or cowardice for two murders and a severe bashing.

This is the paragraph extracted from Tate’s diatribe.

No doubt you are aware that as a consequence of your weakness and/or cowardice, two murders were committed, a man severely bashed and left in a vegetative state, and a number of us humiliated and verbally assaulted time and time again from within your own ranks, and without- and no doubt you cheered at every blow

Tate your words are scurrilous and you should know that your entire being would not equal one millionth part of the man that Cedric Maudsley Ingram “Sandy” Pearson AO DSO OBE MC is.

Your words are sickening, and they will condemn you to a continuence of the miserable life you lead.  Suffer in silence, or in voice, because no one is listening and no one gives a damn.

Aye

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Don "I'm a hero" Tate is frothing at the mouth again. He sent a long flowery email to various politicians and Defence Force Officers last Sunday 6 Dec 09. We have included his email and a covering Tate email published by Jim Wiltshire following our comment.
 
For the uninitiated and on the surface of things Tates email sounds hole proof and true. However after observing Don Tate for a long time we know he is a master of spin and has the reputation for intermixing some truth with lies to make his cases on various matters.You can read about Don Tate here
 
http://www.austvetmatters.net/tate.html
 
http://www.austvetmatters.net/updates.html
 
 
Once again Don Tate has done his wily best to convince readers that he was at the Thua Tich ambush and that the non existent 2nd D&E Platoon did exist. There is no doubt Tate was a member of the HQ 1st Australian Task Force D&E Platoon in 1969, there is no doubt Tate served in 4 RAR and 9 RAR.There is no doubt this inexperienced private soldier was wounded in action. This is just about where the truth ends and the lies and embellishments begin.
 
Ted Colmer was provably part of the 1969 Thua Tich [ a village in the Australian Area of Operations ] ambush as was Jim Riddle. Ted Colmer has publicly stated that Tate was not present at the ambush, Tate himself says he can't remember if he was present at the ambush and we have private emails which state that Jim Riddle regards Tate as a liar and parasitic user. Ted Colmer, a former Soldier and AFP Policeman, has stated no atrocities occurred during or immediately after the Thua Tich ambush and none occurred on the way to Xuyen Moc village or in Xuyen Moc village. We will take the word of Colmer over the word of Tate any day.
 
It is clear that Ted Colmer has sought some type of medical help which we admire him for and that a result of this he has become honest with himself and has scuttled the boat of lies and false heroism and tales of atrocities dreamed up in the warped Tate mind.
 
Don Tate is a pathetic character who is determined to bring down anybody and any organization, including the highly respected Australian Defence Force, to feed his own ego, to support his own lies and to sustain the sickness which pervades his vicious mind.Our observation is that Don Tate was a very mixed up,psychologically unfit and vicious young man well before he enlisted and that his current behaviour has nothing to do with his War service. For what it is worth we believe he should never have been accepted into the ADF.
 
Don Tate there are no major conspiracies around every corner, there are not Battalions of Veterans and politicians consorting to destroy you and there is little truth in anything you say. The simple matter is you are a wannabe who has used fellow Veterans and who has lied and manipulated to get your own way. You are a failed human being who is convinced you and you alone have suffered during life. Many many people have suffered far more than you have ever suffered.
 
 AVM


From: Jim Wiltshire
To: FACT@dva.awm.gov.au
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:30 AM
Subject: Fw: Federal Police-and military matters (involving the 2nd D&E Platoon of 1969)
 
Veterans.....
I sent the letter below (and the attachment) to Angus Houston- the current head of the ADF a little while ago to keep him abreast of developments in the 2nd D&E Platoon matter, since it contains matters pertinent to the military history of this country. It also went to two other politicians so as to ensure that the matters are definitely dealt with, and not swept under the carpet.

It wasn't necessarily for public consumption, but the reappearance of Ted Colmer again after a period of care, gives me no option but to make it more public.

Some months ago, he sent out an email through the veteran community which was quite defamatory, and did me some damage, but I let it pass me by. He accused me of making baseless accusations of "atrocities' (which he regarded as "scurrilous", and suggested that my reasons were motivated by book sales of "The War Within".

(Note that I have waited until "The War Within" has run its course before I have taken this final step!)

Some have asked me why I didn't respond to Colmer's outburst- that NOT doing so was either weakness on my part, or an admission that he was right in his assertions.

I have replied to them that here were two reasons I didn't- first, because of the delicate nature of the man's psychological state (and I didn't want to exaccerbate that condition out of concern for him) and secondly, because the matters WERE being dealt with by the nation's premier investigative force- the AFP.

And I didn't want to compromise either- especially given Colmer's personal relationship with that authority (to put it nicely.)
However, he just won't be quiet, continuing his extraordinary attacks on me- trying to placate those he has attacked in the past, and position himself as the white knight of the D&E Platoons, and the RAAAC, and his new 'mates'.

What makes his attacks extraordinary, is that it was Colmer's initial investigations that proved decisive in proving that the 2nd D&E Platoon existed and operated independently of Lt Ray Woolan's D&E Platoon- including his locating the Roll Books of HQ Coy 1ATF which clearly show me as being "PRESENT" on every day in that Company during May 1969. (Also in the hands of the AFP, and also attached here!)

So this is where we're at.
Don Tate
 
From: Donald Tate warvet_69@yahoo.com
Subject: Federal Police-and military matters (involving the 2nd D&E Platoon of 1969)
To: Angus.Houston@defence.gov.au, Greg.Combet.mp@aph.gov.au, senator.Johnston@aph.gov.au
Received: Sunday, 6 December, 2009, 8:56 PM


To: Former Army Officers of the Australian Task Force, Vietnam…1969:


Brigadier ‘Sandy’ Pearson; Major Ron Rooks; Maj Paul deCure;

Maj George Pratt; Capt Tom Arrowsmith; Lt Ray Woolan; ……


THE SEARCH FOR ANSWERS


Gentlemen,

            Attached, please note the letter from The Hon Brendan O’Connor MP acknowledging that the issues I have raised concerning the 2nd D&E Platoon matter and the contentions of May 29th 1969 are currently being addressed by the AFP, and the Minister for Veterans Affairs.

            I want you to be aware that this is a natural progression in the investigations into these matters. As individuals, we have done all we can for more than four years. Now, it is up to the professionals to address the issues already raised.

           

Why?

            You might well ask why I took this action.

            Well, the answer is simple. There are a number of reasons why (and none of them are to do with “The War Within”, which has had its run):


·       because when these matters were first raised back in the 80’s, Sir William Keys (Pres of the RSL at that time) “strongly discouraged any investigations” into them (why?)

·       because Normie Rowe boldly called for a Royal Commission into the allegations and has continued to harass me in a cowardly fashion, since

·       because the AWM and the DVA have refused to accept The Hon Mike Kelly’s decision of May 29th 2008 to formally recognise the platoon’s existence and activities

·       because senior officers have allowed a falsified version of historical events into the records of the Vietnam War

·       because, as senior officers, you did not have the nous or courage to muzzle the operators of the cowardly SITREP and AVM web sites

·       because you used (or allowed) loud-mouthed, ignorant veterans to vilify me and others attempting to validate the platoon's existence and operations

·       because misinformation was repeatedly circulated throughout the veteran community via a veteran with accusations of paedophilia against him (actions currently being investigated separately)

·       and because I am so bloody enraged at the bastardisation of my service records at the hands of such a corrupt, incompetent military bureaucracy that I want to reveal the Australian Army for what it is- a cesspool…. where maladministration was rampant, where men’s lives could be compromised in the hunt by officers for ‘gallantry’ medals; and where officers were prepared to lie to protect their reputations and the reputation of their Corps and fellow officers


            It remains to be seen what influence those corrupt forces within the ex-military community have in derailing these investigations. To date, they seem to have unlimited licence to say whatever they want. One would like to believe however, that there are those in the AFP, the military, and the government who are beyond the clutches of such forces - men of honour and true integrity.

            We’ll soon see.

            I would like you to know that the decision to advance these matters to this point was not taken lightly.

            However, I was left with no choice.

            Unless you are completely senile, you would be well aware that for some years now, I have been challenged from all sides about my recollections concerning the events that took place in Vietnam in May of 1969, and in particular, how I went about putting the story together in my memoir, “The War Within”.

            It would be fair to say that you fine, upstanding gentlemen, have sat idly by as this matter unfolded- never making comment, never assisting with any of the research, never bothering to ensure that the nation’s military heritage may well have been compromised.   

            Indeed, rather than assist in ensuring that our military history is reported accurately and honestly, an independent observer might conclude that your impotence, or indolence, has been deliberate- a ploy to protect the reputation of the Armoured Corps, and the reputations of a few officers, and that dark forces within the veteran community have been employed to maintain the status quo.

            At worst, it may be argued that there are senior ex-officers who are guilty of war crimes.

            At the very least, it could be argued that individually, or collectively, there are those senior ex-officers directly involved in these matters who might well be complicit in the deliberate corruption/distortion of historical accounts- or who allowed it to happen on their watch.

            Minister Billson alluded to this in correspondence, when he wrote to me in 2007: that “former commanders and soldiers had no knowledge” of the 2nd D&E Platoon, when there was clear evidence that the platoon had indeed been created by Major George Pratt, OC of HQ Coy 1ATF (as he has stated orally, and in writing.)

            To pretend that a relatively senior officer created a platoon without the knowledge of the most senior officers of the ATF, and then sent them out against a numerically superior force, outside the range of artillery, at great risk to those involved for the entire month or so, is to contend that those superiors were either negligent in their command, or stupid.

            More importantly, as senior ex-officers, it could be argued that you have demonstrated an appalling lack of care and concern for this ordinary infantry private in relation to this matter (and in fact, to all 39 infantrymen who served in that combined armour/infantry force of May 1969)- a far cry from the duty of care you might have sworn to exercise at another time.

            No doubt you are aware that as a consequence of your weakness and/or cowardice, two murders were committed, a man severely bashed and left in a vegetative state, and a number of us humiliated and verbally assaulted time and time again from within your own ranks, and without- and no doubt you cheered at every blow.

            No doubt, as well, you cheered every time that establishment darling- Bob Buick, attacked us, just as I’m sure there is no doubt you cringed when that same darling wrote that “his support was at the highest levels of the government and the military.” (Was it your support he was referring to?)

            And no doubt either that you clapped your hands with glee when those two infantry Privates from the sedentary D&E Platoons- ‘Bud’ Cramer, and ‘Bomber’ Gibson attacked us viciously and vociferously for years from that gutless web site- AVM.

            It says much that all three men have since been exposed as frauds one way or another- Buick for wearing the LS&GC Medal he had no right to, and the other two having had no infantry experience whatsoever.

            Rather that a private be sacrificed than the reputation of one of your own, eh? (Buick’s boast will also be investigated, by the way, as too, the curious connections between an ACT barrister, senior ex-generals, various ESO representatives, and a convicted sex offender.)


The Questions     

           

            Now, I am going to ask a few questions of you publicly…….but before doing so, want to make sure you are well aware of where I stand in relation to these matters. Below, please take note of various written accounts by men directly involved, but before you do, I will re-state my allegations as placed before the AVM (and state again, that I am the only man who has pursued this matter since 1970):

   

The Events of May 30th 1969:


·       I have alleged that on that day, an order was given to blow up some of the dead Viet Cong bodies in a bomb crater near the gates to Thua Tich

·       I further allege that other bodies were strapped to the backs of an APC, and transported into Xuyen Moc, and that by the time they were dropped off in the village, they were rendered headless

·       I further allege that on the way into Xuyen Moc, civilians were indiscriminately fired upon

·       as a consequence of the above, Arrowsmith’s Troop was immediately replaced by Lawrence’s, and the infantry contingent (the 2nd D&E Platoon was immediately disbanded- its members dispersed within other battalions

·       the service records of the entire infantry component were all falsely altered so as NOT to show any evidence of a “2nd D&E Platoon” whatsoever

·       and that at least one gallantry medal was awarded for dubious reasons



The Official Version of the Disposal of Bodies


            You would be aware that the AWM holds documents which state:


v    that only one “D&E Platoon” existed at that time (under the leadership of Lt Ray Woolan)

v    that all the bodies from the ambush were wrapped in green ponchos and disposed of neatly


            I have not seen these particular documents, but have been advised that this is the case by Gen Steve Gower at a meeting with him and Ashley Ekins at the AWM in 2007.

           

            Now, before I ask my questions of you, let me lay SOME of my cards on the table. These are comments from men who were absolute witnesses to the events. (In case you missed it, please note the use of the word “SOME”)……

           

·      An account by Allan Stanton (a former RAAAC trooper, and the driver of Capt Tom Arrowsmith’s APC, who wrote in his memoir, “Before I Forget” (Sid Harta Press):


"The Arrow (Capt Tom Arrowsmith), like me, did not want the bodies in the cargo area of our carrier, so it was decided to take five bodies, tie them together and hang them by their ankles from the back of the carrier for the trip back to Xuyen Moc. …….

"Before leaving the ambush site we had one further task to perform- dispose of the other six bodies. We dragged them to an old bomb crater just to the side of the old gates of the deserted village. Along with the bodies were placed explosives, hand grenades, a number of Claymore mines, a few gallons of petrol and a long fuse cord. "The fuse was lit and about five minutes later the explosion of our crude burial could be heard........


(After the second VC attack on the way to Xuyen Moc)...


"There was now one more task to perform before our return to the Dat- take the bodies of the five VC still hanging from the back of Two-Alpha-Zero (Stanton 's APC) into the village square. I knew they were still there by the shocked looks on the faces of the locals as we drove through the village......

"The bodies were cut from the carrier and left with the village chief to do what he wanted with them."


·      An email from Ted Colmer dated 2007 (Colmer was a former federal police officer) who did the bulk of the research into the allegations of ‘atrocities’, (the email since forwarded to the AFP) who wrote:


“My research has revealed their contravention (Thua Tich & elsewhere) under Part: 1, Article 3  - Fourth Geneva Convention (or GCIV) with Article 3, stating with reference to combatants who are 'hors de combat' (out of the fight) due to their death from the ambush, with (a) & (c) inter alia, relating to mutilation, and degrading treatment, irrespective of whether they are dead or alive!  The Australian Military (Cth) Law at the time would have also considered this treatment prohibitive, and subject to Court Marshal. There is no statute of limitations with such serious breaches!”



·      An email from Cpl Jim Riddle (former platoon commander of the infantry contingent of the combined force) who wrote (in 2005):


“Shortly after that the lead tracks ran into a space with villagers doing dry paddy work, and that’s where you saw the woman and kid killed by the tracks.  It wasn't a deliberate killing. It was pure and simple panic by ‘trackies’ who had just been ambushed and were shit scared.  We tried to stop them shooting, but we were all standing up in the back of the tracks and couldn't get at the gunners in time. These gunners were the untried ones. They joined us after the night ambush. Our kills were totalled, from both days, at about 50.  This was a figure brought back from local intelligence a few days later”


·      And again, from Cpl Jim Riddle,  in a different email, (also 2005)…..


“I recall the girl who was killed at the ambush, and there was another on the way back, after the ambush, when the tracks were in a panic and heading at speed while firing at people in the fields, on the way to Xuyen Moc the following morning. That was when we dragged the bodies behind us. Yes, the lads came and asked me what I thought about that, and I told them I was pissed off, but it was the thing soldiers do who are in their first combat and who are 'out of their lids’. I'd seen it before, and felt bad, but war is not for humans, so for a while, we were not human.”


·      A statement by Richard Bigwood, a rifleman, who stated in an interview with Lisa Whitehead on the ABC’s “7.30 Report, July 2008, and also in a Statement forwarded to commonwealth statute bodies:


 “the bodies were placed into a bomb crater…...plastic explosives….”


·      And in another email from Cpl Jim Riddle, dated 2005:


“The day after the Thua Thich ambush, we all gathered to dispose of the dead, except for those we tied to the tailgates of the APCs. The Brigadier came out and shook hands and then we started off in column to Xuyen Moc….”


·      Another email from Ted Colmer, also dated 2007, when he says:


“I am prepared to touch on the “atrocities” and was prepared to “forward to the Federal Police” a statement to that effect


      Note: In relation to the comments by Ted Colmer above, you might also be aware that when he learned I was taking these matters directly to the AFP, he sent out an email, far and wide within the veteran community, stating that any suggestion that “atrocities” had been committed were “scurrilous”, that they brought the reputation of the D&E Platoons into disrepute, and that anyone who considered them to be “atrocities” hadn’t seen any combat.

      In the light of that email (which is also the subject of legal action) I think that quotes above from him referring to his own comments about "atrocities" make interesting reading (certainly does as far as the AFP is concerned!)


I also have made contact with former members of the Armoured Corps who have verified these matters (reported to AFP);
And I know the location of a photograph showing the bodies strapped to the APC
           

So…..to the questions:


            In asking them, I am giving each of you the opportunity to make this matter right. And remind you that as a consequence of the defamation action against Peter Edwards, all documentation relating to my service across all three units will be discoverable- including all documentation, signals etc to do with the 2nd D&E Platoon


Are you aware that DVA Minister Billson declared in 2007 that there was “no authority to create a second D&E Platoon”?
 
Given that a second D&E Platoon was created (and is now formally recognised) how do you explain its formation when the rules for the creation of such a platoon (approved by Cabinet) were not followed?

Was there prior discussion between senior officers within the Task Force and the Armoured Corps to the effect that there was a gallantry medal on offer at that time if Capt Tom Arrowsmith’s force successfully challenged that very large Viet Cong force known to be congregating in Xuyen Moc in May 1969?

Given that the National Service contingent of the reinforcement group left behind by 4RAR were not used in the combined armour/infantry force, was the decision NOT to use them a military decision, or a political one?

Were you aware that a week after its creation, the infantry platoon (39 men) had no officer commanding, had no sergeant, and no medic on hand- and was being sent out against that large enemy force outside the range of artillery?

Was civilian photographer Gibbons rushed from Saigon and embedded in that combined force at Thua Tich so as to record the events of the impending ambush?

If so, how is it that he took no pictures of Spooky in action on the night of the 29th May?

If Gibbons wasn’t at Thua Tich on the 29th May, who arranged to have him and army photographer Bellis on standby to rush out to Thua Tich to capture the moments for posterity in the morning of May 30th 1969?

Is Dennis Gibbons withholding photographs taken at Thua Thich?

Besides Brigadier ‘Sandy’ Pearson, who were the other members of the party that arrived at Thua Tich on helicopter “Albatross 05” on the morning of May 30th, 1969?

Who was the senior officer on the ground when the decision to blow bodies up was made?

Who gave the actual order to blow up the bodies?

Who was the officer referred to as ‘seagull’ in the Armoured Corps Narratives who approved the taking of bodies into Xuyen Moc for “propaganda purposes”?

Who was the senior officer on the ground when the decision to strap bodies to the back of an APC was made?

Who gave that order?


Whose APC were they strapped to?
When did you learn about the manner the bodies from the Thua Tich ambush were disposed of, and what was your reaction to it?

If not directly involved, as senior officers, you would all have access to all manners of military documentation- in that case, will you make public (before they are “discovered”) those Signals that flew between senior officers involved in discussions about the manner the bodies were disposed of on May 30th 1969 and afterwards?

Are you aware that the official version of events that day state that all the Viet Cong bodies were disposed of neatly in “green tarpaulins” and buried appropriately?

How do you account for the discrepancy in the official version of events, and subsequent versions from men on the ground?

If the contemporaneous reports are to be believed, what is the precise location of the 11 bodies from the ambush?

Are you aware that at least one of the photographs taken of dead Viet Cong bodies on May 30th 1969 were subsequently re-dated to show “June 1969”- and may have been used to beef up the awarding of a Military Cross to another officer who wasn’t present at the events?

Given the reports of indiscriminate shooting at civilians on the way into Xuyen Moc, were you aware of this- and if so, what actions did you take?

Was there a meeting of senior officers (including Lt Ray Woolan, platoon commander of the generic D&E Platoon) at Xuyen Moc in early June- and did the agenda of that meeting include discussions about where the gallantry medal should go?

          I regret that I have had to take this action, and you are under no compunction to answer, but perhaps your sense of decency might prevail.


            I live in hope.

            Regardless- the truth will out.


Don Tate
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