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« Reply #12 on: Monday22June2009 »

Have a look at this e-mail that was on Peterson's site.
Does this gentleman, Alan Price really believe what he has written??

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From: Alan Price
Sent: Monday, 15 June 2009 4:06 PM
Subject: AVM

Dear all,
 
It has come to my attention that there is a belief that I and the 4 RAR Association, Qld are in joint purpose with a web site known as Aust Vet Matters (AVM) and that I am aware of those who are running the site. Let me categorically deny those beliefs and I will deal with them one by one.
 
I and the executive committee of the 4 RAR Assoc, Qld have no ties with the AVM nor is it intended that we shall.
I and the executive committee of the 4 RAR Assoc, Qld do not know the identity of any person involved with the AVM.
I and the executive committee of the 4 RAR Assoc, Qld have not contributed to any forum of the AVM.
I and the executive committee of the 4 RAR Assoc, Qld do not agree with some statements made by persons involved with the AVM that denigrates veterans.
I and the executive committee of the 4 RAR Assoc, Qld do not recognise the AVM as an ex-service web site or as a representative of any ex-service association or, former or serving member or unit of the Australian Defence Force.
I and the executive committee of the 4 RAR Assoc, Qld consider the AVM web site derogatory and self serving.
I and the executive committee of the 4 RAR Assoc, Qld consider the AVM site as an affront to the decency and the respect that should be shown to veterans.
I and the executive committee of the 4 RAR Assoc, Qld are appalled and disgusted with some comments posted on the AVM site.
I and the executive committee of the 4 RAR Assoc, Qld are appalled and disgusted with the AVM in that it attacks some veterans from behind anonymity.
 
I and the executive committee of the 4 RAR Assoc, Qld have no ties with the AVM nor is it intended that we shall.
I and the executive committee of the 4 RAR Assoc, Qld do not know the identity of any person involved with the AVM.
 
I hope that I have explained the precise situation between the AVM site and the 4 RAR Assoc, Qld. I only heard of this site today in correspondence that stated that I know all about them.
 
Alan
(Alan Price)
President
4RAR Assoc, Qld
(Vic, Tas, NT, Intl)
 (07 3273 7973
Visit our web site: www.4rarassociationsaustralia.com
We welcome your comments, contributions and news
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« Reply #11 on: Sunday21June2009 »

G'DAY ALL

I was very lucky to attend the Parade after receiving an invite from the CO.
Forget the normal Parade ground that many of us are used to the Parade area was tiny.

It just fitted in the 4RAR 2xCompany elements with us spectators on the side lines.
The COLOURS were marched on and treated with the respect expected.

They were formally handed over to a Colour Party from Inf Center who will display them in one of the Messes.
They were "Marched Off" with all, serving soldiers and Veterans at attention.

The 2 Commando Regiment Flag was raised on the main flag pole.
The Regiment as part of the Special Forces Command will not have their own COLOURS.
For future Parades it is expected that the ARMY BANNER will be in attendance?

End of the Parade, Veterans and Soldiers alike moved to the ORs mess for drinks and food.
Unlike us when we returned from Viet Nam many soldiers have a chest full of medals with a few Gallantry Awards among them. 

G.



     
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« Reply #10 on: Saturday20June2009 »

MSPA 191/09 Friday, 19 June 2009

NEW NAME FOR SYDNEY COMMANDOS

Army’s 4th Battalion (Commando), The Royal Australian Regiment (4 RAR (Cdo)) was today renamed 2nd Commando Regiment (2 Cdo Regt) during a ceremony at Tobruk Lines, Holsworthy.

The ceremony, reviewed by Chief of Army Lieutenant General Ken Gillespie, saw the march-off of the 4 RAR colours and the unfurling of the new 2 Cdo Regt flag.

“I am very pleased that 4 RAR (Cdo) is now nearing maturity as a special operations unit. The name change celebrated today recognises this achievement as well as the skills and qualifications of its members,” Lieutenant General Gillespie said.

“The name 2 Cdo Regt more accurately reflects the roles and capabilities of the commandos and their command structure, which are distinct from our conventional infantry battalions.”

“4 RAR will remain on Army’s Order of Battle with its history, colours and traditions preserved for future service as and when required by our nation. So too will we continue to celebrate the battalion’s service and the sacrifice of those who served under its colours.”

“2 Cdo Regt will not forget its origins and will continue to support the 4 RAR Association where it can, specifically through the provision of facilities for annual meetings, unit birthdays and Anzac Day,” Lieutenant General Gillespie said.

4 RAR began commando transition in 1996 when Government directed Army to establish a second commando regiment with the ability to conduct special recovery and strike operations.

The name 2nd Commando Regiment was chosen as it logically complements the existing 1st Commando Regiment, but more importantly it reflects the unit’s historical links to the Australian Independent Commando Companies that operated in the Southwest Pacific in the Second World War.

2 Cdo Regt joins the Special Air Service Regiment, Incident Response Regiment, 1st Commando Regiment, the Special Forces Training Centre and the Special Operations Logistics Squadron as part of Army’s Special Operations Command.
 
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« Reply #9 on: Wednesday10June2009 »

G'DAY ALL

I would like to make mention that i have been invited to the Change Over Parade for 4RAR on 19th June.
It will be a very interesting day that apart from my feelings of loosing a Battalion of the RAR i will be at the raising of a new chapter in the Australian Army in its fight against terrorism in the 21st Century.

That being the creation of the new Commando Regiment.

G. 
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« Reply #8 on: Thursday04June2009 »

MSPA 183/09

Thursday, 4 June 2009

4 RAR (COMMANDO) TO BECOME THE 2ND
COMMANDO REGIMENT

Chief of Army, Lieutenant General Ken Gillespie, today announced that Army’s 4th Battalion (Commando), the Royal Australian Regiment, (4 RAR Cdo) will be renamed as the 2nd Commando Regiment (2 Cdo Regt) on 19 June 2009.

The decision follows a comprehensive consultation process with current and previous serving members of 4 RAR (Cdo), as well as their families and support associations.

“While there were vast opinions to consider, we accepted the strong desire amongst current serving 4 RAR (Cdo) soldiers to rename the unit and effectively raise 2 Cdo Regt,” Lieutenant General Gillespie said.

“The name 2 Cdo Regt more accurately reflects the roles and capabilities of the commandos and their command structure, which are distinct from our conventional infantry battalions.”

Army’s infantry battalions are primarily used to seize and hold territory, where commandos focus on special operations including raids, interdiction of enemy communication lines, seizing points of entry and counter terrorism / hostage rescue.

4 RAR began transitioning in 1996 when Government directed Army to establish a second commando regiment with the ability to conduct special recovery and strike operations.  4 RAR (Cdo) is now nearing maturity as a special operations unit, and the name change to 2 Cdo Regt recognises this achievement as well as the skills and qualifications of its members.

“Army will continue to honour the contribution the past members of 4 RAR and 4 RAR (Cdo) have made to its rich history, and the unit name will not be lost.  4 RAR will remain on Army’s Order of Battle and may be reinstated in the future, if and when the need arises,” Lieutenant General Gillespie said.

The name 2nd Commando Regiment was chosen as it logically complements the existing 1st Commando Regiment, and also reflects the unit’s historical links to the Australian Independent Commando Companies that operated in the Southwest Pacific in the Second World War.

2nd Commando Regiment will join the Special Air Service Regiment, Incident Response Regiment, 1st Commando Regiment, the Special Forces Training Centre and the Special Operations Logistics Squadron as part of Army’s Special Operations Command.

 

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« Reply #7 on: Monday04May2009 »

G'DAY

I was at the 60th RAR Commemorations in Sydney last year.
I spoke to the CO of 4RAR about this issue.

He stated, in words to the effect, "yes there are some members of the Battalion who have no relationship with the RAR and seek to move out of the Regiment". I asked around over the weekend and was told "some members" were SAS who had been or were serving with the Battalion".

The 4RAR (VV) bloke i spoke to (last week) has said he has spoken to the CO of 4RAR and news was imminent?

we can only wait and see i guess?
G.
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« Reply #6 on: Sunday03May2009 »

Hi fella's,

Yesterday I had a few beers with ********* and he has not heard anything of this nature.

He said any subject along these these lines had not even been mentioned.

So that may this rumour to bed.

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« Reply #5 on: Thursday30April2009 »

G'DAY

I got an answer form my 4RAR (VV) contact and he says its only a matter of time before the CO or Defense makes an announcement to move 4 out of the RAR?

G. 
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« Reply #4 on: Friday24April2009 »

A para Bn like 3 RAR is still a standard RAR Bn with a specialist insertion technique, but Commando's are a completely different role. 3 is soon loosing its Para role anyway. But SF and standard dog faced Battalions should not have been confused in the first place. The sooner there are no Commando's in the RAR the better.

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« Reply #3 on: Thursday23April2009 »

G'DAY

I have sent off a please explain to a 4RAR Viet Nam Vet i know about this?

I did speak to the CO (4RAR) at the RAR Commemorations (60 Years) in Sydney last year and he did confirm that there were elements in the Battalion who were pushing for it to be removed from the RAR.
I was told later that these 'elements' were among others ex SAS, who had no links to the RAR.

The reason that they will not expand the Commando units is that 4RAR; was to replace the SAS having to fly across Oz to deal with SF tasks on the Eastern seaboard. Also to share the burden of SAS to deal with the rise in Terrorist attacks expected on ES, as a target rich environment, which has not occurred?


I do not favor the Battalion being renamed or moved out of the RAR and i point out that 3RAR as our only Airborne Battalion as not renamed nor moved out of the Order Of Battle of the RAR.

While i am on the subject of special operations, i think it is a bit disappointing that other Units in the RAR have not been allowed to gain operational experience alongside 4RAR fighting the Taliban.

7RAR now involved in the Mentoring role in Afghanistan should also be allowed to broaden their role and to head to head with the Taliban.
Otherwise what is the purpose of having heavy forces, eg; Mechanised Infantry and spending millions to achieve it and not allow them in to Battle?
LEST WE FORGET. Clp Mathew Hopkins (7RAR)

I also feel we should deploy our own Artillery Units rather than just blood a few gunners with the Poms?
Also there is an urgent need to get the Tigers in to the Battle Space sooner that later!

Not forgetting DUSTOFF, so our digger don't have to wait hours for evac?
Also what is the bloody RAAF doing will million dollar jets, just attending F1 races and air shows?
YOU HAVE TO BE JOKING!!!!!!

A very pissed off Grunt
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« Reply #2 on: Tuesday21April2009 »

I agree with 80's about 4RAR. Should never have been designated as a "Commando" Battalion.

The RAR is an Infantry regiment, and while many of the Battalions have specialist roles, all are capable of fighting as infantry always has done, and all members are (and should be)capable of being cross posted to other battalions of the Regiment with minimum additional training needed.

It is sad to see a battalion like 4RAR who have a long and proud history in both peace and war, fade away into storage.

I predict that that 4RAR will rise again, next time as a regular infantry fighting force as it has been for most of its history.

Leave the SF stuff to the SF Regiments where it belongs.
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« Reply #1 on: Monday20April2009 »

I think its actually a good thing as a battalion of the RAR should never have been designated as Commando. But lets face it the Govt has no idea how to run things. In 95 they de-linked 2/4 RAR and then later they disbanded 8/9 RAR and now they have delinked 5/7 and now will disband 4 RAR. Honestly they have no clue. Commandos should be established using the template already designed for a Commando Coy. There should have been 3 Independant Commando Coys, one in Townsville, Darwin and Brisbane (or Sydney) as part of the Brigade HQ's. Just my thoughts on it.

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« on: Monday20April2009 »

I served with 4RAR in its 1971 SVN tour. It was with great regret that I learned today that 4RAR is to be disbanded and renamed as 2 Commando Regiment. How sad. I guess that is what is called progress. And I certainly don't mean to denigrate the commandos. Perhaps it could have been renamed 4 Commando Regiment? At least the "4" would have remained. How very sad.
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